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Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Post by pcthrowaway »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #234
Ansil849 wrote: post #136

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> Take into consideration though that these minks were bred specifically to kill them for their skin. Is that not much more 'evil', to breed something specifically to kill it for its skin? If it's not, then why is it not allowed to be done by the same species to itself?

Probably yes. I think both are pretty bad. I eat pretty much vegetarian for this reason (not entirely because here in Spain it's impossible to be totally vegetarian especially when you go out for dinner)

Curious where in Spain you are. I'm vegan and was looking at spending some time in Spain (mainly Granada at one point because of low cost of living, location, and availability of vegan food). In the bigger cities, Happycow shows hundreds of fully vegan and vegetarian restaurants.

As of yet I haven't actually been to Spain, but from traveling around Europe I did learn that eating vegan can (sometimes) be incredibly challenging. In a smaller coastal city in Italy I remember one night where the only food I could find to eat was a tomato salad (modified by removing all the non-vegan ingredients from a salad menu item).

But overwhelmingly through my travels I've been able to find more options.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Post by pvaldes »

true_religion wrote: post #5
throwawaysea wrote: post #2

If an instinct or circuitry around revenge can exist in monkeys, I wonder if humans can ever fully escape that tendency, or if it is just built into who we are.

When humans cull all the wolves in an area because they killed a child, we don’t call it revenge. We call it animal control.

> When humans cull all the wolves in an area because they killed a child

Wolves normally don't do that. Not unless they have rabies. We should stop seeing the nature as if we were still in the XVII century.

The logical answer would be to direct the revenge against the real culprit, the rabies virus. Kill the rabid wolf and vaccinate other local wolves against rabies. Wolves learn quickly that must keep their distance with humans. Culling all the wolves in the area leads to more humans killed, by herbivores.

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Post by Retric »

selectodude wrote: post #232
the_only_law wrote: post #219

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Are they particularly deadly in NA? I’m not downplaying the disease spread by mosquitoes, but I would have imagined that they’re significantly deadlier in less developed continents and that then acesss and quality of healthcare would make them less so in North America.

Depends on what you consider North America. Mexico down to Panama still have significant mosquito-borne illness and none of the access and quality of healthcare we enjoy in US/CA.

Mexico with a population of 130 Million only had 641 cases of Malaria in 2019, it’s not at great risk from mosquito-born illness. Central American countries are at a significantly higher risk, Panama for example has 4.4 million people and had 1,597 cases of malaria in 2019. Other diseases show similar trends.

Still in terms of total deaths from Mosquito born illness it’s likely lower than most assume.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Post by pvaldes »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #179
TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #130

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Great insight. I wonder if it applies to him. Perhaps the dog was gifted to him without any choice of his own.

There’s alway a choice. For example a choice not to accept a doberman puppy.

> Observe yourself a bit more.

This sounds really condescending, Please lets don't do this here. Everybody is free to have exactly the dog that they want. Period.

I can't see the need to invoke the dusty ghost of Freud all the time with those dumb clichés. In the real life, not all is always related with penises.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Post by pvaldes »

Ansil849 wrote: post #137
garyclarke27 wrote: post #11

I’d like to see these Monkeys try and capture my 54kg (129lb) Doberman. He is ridiculously strong, has broken a few collars and is impossible to move if he decides to stay put.

> I’d like to see these Monkeys try and capture my 54kg (129lb) Doberman. You're saying you would like to see a pack of monkeys attack your dog? Your post is either internet bravado or an injunction for someone to call and alert animal welfare about your conduct.

Is obviously an hypothetical situation expressing that the dog would strike back if attacked.

And yes, the dog could kill some macaques easily. Stray dogs are often malnourished and weak. A well feed dog of a respectable size in open field is a different situation.

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Post by tim333 »

xeromal wrote: post #112
drclau wrote: post #105

If you are in doubt about this being revenge, because you think revenge is exclusively a human behavior, then have a look at the Gombe Chimpanzee War [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War

Thanks for sharing this. What a read though I wish it had more details!

The book https://www.amazon.co.uk/Demonic-Males-Origins-Human-Violenc... has more info.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Post by MuffinFlavored »

FlyingSnake wrote: post #74

I grew up and studied in a University town in Central India, not far from Majalgaon FTA. I've personally witnessed the rivalry of the monkeys and the pariah dogs. In one particular instance a youngish dog was chasing the monkeys and wouldn't let them get on the ground. The leader of the monkey gang made a sudden move, swooped down and carried the dog pup on the tree and just dropped it from there. The pup survived an…

> carried the dog pup on the tree and just dropped it from there.

How "not ok" was the dog pup after that?

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

rg111 wrote: post #203
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #153

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I would expect most animals that still exist to at the very least not be a major threat to humans - because if they are, they tend to cease to exist.

These monkeys are not fatally dangerous if that's what GP is saying. But they cause heavy and serious nuisance. Where I live, these monkeys invade gradens, agricultural fields, house rooftops at least 4-5 times a month. The locals drop anything they do, and chase away these monkeys. When chased by an adult male human, these monkeys don't fight back and are easily frightened. They don't mess with adult males or groups…

> An adult male cannot physically take on a monkey.

Really? I would expect that the inevitable injuries aren't worth it, but I'd expect this to be the case on both sides, with the monkey ending up significantly worse off if the human were to actually consider it a fight-to-kill-or-be-killed, not a "make the nuisance go away".

What I don't understand though: If the monkeys are such a nuisance, why are they tolerated? Is there a religious taboo against hurting them? Legal protection? Strict limits on what kind of weapons people can have?

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

polotics wrote: post #260
throwaway2331 wrote: post #248

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> An adult male cannot physically take on a monkey. It is impossible. Still they don't attack. Are you positive? A chimpanzee: yes. A guerilla: indubitable. But a monkey? They seem like medium-sized dogs, that can move around quicker and more freely. They'll bite out your flesh, and perhaps maim you to a semi-serious degree (including infection), but I cannot fathom a monkey seriously killing a grown adult male human…

A Macaque, maybe 15 kg in weight, has the aggression claws and muscle to take on any non-beefy human and win, not doubt about that.

Win, or injure the human so badly that they won't pick the fight again before the human kills it, assuming the human actually fights to kill?

I have no doubt it's not wise to fight a monkey, but I wouldn't expect it to actually win.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

cute_boi wrote: post #213
rg111 wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These monkeys are not fatally dangerous if that's what GP is saying. But they cause heavy and serious nuisance. Where I live, these monkeys invade gradens, agricultural fields, house rooftops at least 4-5 times a month. The locals drop anything they do, and chase away these monkeys. When chased by an adult male human, these monkeys don't fight back and are easily frightened. They don't mess with adult males or groups…

I understand but aren't we to be blame for this? We took their home, we took their shelter and what can they do? And they don't have enough wisdom to know who they should harm and who they shouldn't. And many of monkey i know here are too friendly but yea after they starts to live with humans they learn to hoodwink people because many thieves are known to use monkey to snatch valuables from tourist by providing banan…

> We took their home

We are an animal and part of nature too.

> And they don't have enough wisdom to know who they should harm and who they shouldn't.

They seem pretty smart about it tbh. They know what they can get away with and go no further than that.

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