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Ask HN: 27, accidentally became wealthy, lost drive. What should I do?

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Re: Ask HN: 27, accidentally became wealthy, lost drive. What should I do?

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If I had that much money, I'd found a company focusing on creating real value instead of just sales volume. Employ old people, enable direct trusted donations to African schools (Crypto?), make an app to teach 3rd world women how to treat their first baby, introduce and establish a social coin to reward caregivers... It's a great feeling to make the world a better place. And there are endless possibilities to help making the world a bit better each day if you don't have to waste your time to make money.

I'd advise you to reflect deeply. Imagine you're walking through the "museum of your life" at the last day of your life. All the pictures there show your important moments. What pictures is that museum presenting?

Showing off / buying expensive things makes you happy for half a year. Having a true social impact has a lasting effect.

Re: Ask HN: 27, accidentally became wealthy, lost drive. What should I do?

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Some good stuff here. I’ll add my $0.02.

David Brooks talk on meaning (and how financial/social freedom isn’t as great as you think) https://youtu.be/iB4MS1hsWXU

Paul Bloom and Sam Harris talk about PB’s new book The Limits of Pleasure (hedonism, happiness, meaning…)- https://www.samharris.org/podcasts/waking-up-conversations/t...

SH opinion on meaning, paraphrased: a narrative you can tell yourself and others about what you are doing. (Watch out for philosophical pseudo questions) Mindfulness & Meaning -- from the Waking Up app. Click on the link to listen now.

https://dynamic.wakingup.com/course/2e0d71?source=content%20...

Thanks for listening. Best of luck.

Re: Ask HN: 27, accidentally became wealthy, lost drive. What should I do?

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It's a nice sum of money. But it's certainly not enough to live doing nothing for the rest of your life. Again YMMV but if you want to have a family, kids, and I suspect you live in a Western country where the cost of living is not that low, you're going to run out unless you put your money to work for you. So this either means investing in yourself ... Start a company or business. Or investing in others: making safe…

> It's a nice sum of money. But it's certainly not enough to live doing nothing for the rest of your life. ??? 7.5m EUR is 8.4m USD. The average number of working years for men is 38 per google (which is also 65-27 the number of years until the poster is 65). 8.4m over 38 years is 221k/yr. The median household income in San Francisco (to pick an expensive city as an example) is 113k/yr. So even assuming the the funds…

g, do you think the 4% thing is even a realistic recommendation today? I also having doubts that index fund investing is even beating inflation in the long run. SPY VOO etc are just 2 of the giant monetary sinks being fed by passive investment through retirement funds, pensions, etc. being cap weighted smooths out the supply from the continuous influx of new money. its growth is an indicator of monetary supply.

I hope folks that have been playing that game are going to be ok when things go a bit strange. Ive never been more bullish on the orange canary in the coal mine.

Re: Ask HN: 27, accidentally became wealthy, lost drive. What should I do?

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I don't have any advice about what you should do next, but what you're experiencing is common amongst people who've become rich "overnight". Look at the difficulties Notch, the creator of Minecraft, had with his success, or the co-founder of RxBar: https://marker.medium.com/what-really-happens-when-you-becom...

7.5M euros is definitely more than enough for one person, but at least it's not in the range where now you feel responsible to do something big and positive with the money.

As others have said, use your free time to explore other aspects of life that may interest you. Try new things, and don't disclose your riches to others. If I were in your shoes, I would try as best as I could to spend time with regular people. The challenge now is to remain grounded as a human being since you no longer have the routine of chasing a paycheck. That said, finding a job might still be useful just so you do have personal development. Obviously, the hard thing will be as soon as you encounter difficulties in your job, you can easily just walk away from it instead of trying to grow.

Re: Ask HN: 27, accidentally became wealthy, lost drive. What should I do?

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If it helps, I think it could be because people value more the things they struggle to obtain. Going from zero to 7.5 million is life changing, and you might be thinking "why struggle anymore hen I can live comfortably?".

I can relate a bit. I studied my career in another city, so I had to take a bus at 5 am every day to attend class at 7 am, studied and did homework until 8pm, and took the bus back to be at 11pm in my home city. It was brutal, but I was young and it felt good to accomplish my goals with my own effort.

A semester later, I got the opportunity of a cheap rent with a couple of roommates, and my motivation tanked. Stopped attending classes, became a night owl, wasted my time playing games, watching TV, reading, and taking long walks. Fortunately I was able to study and pass the finals thanks to the great friends I made in the first semester. Without them I would have failed.

I asked my roommates "what's your motivation to attend school?", and they told me it was their parents; they wanted to proudly show them their university degree. I had no such motivation, and didn't even desire that much the degree myself.

Years later I understood that motivation comes from your own 5-10-20 years plans. I didn't bother then to make a life plan, it would have helped me tremendously with taking school seriously. I suspect you did make a life plan, and that plan boiled down to make a lot of money. Now that you have a decent sum of money, it's time to adjust your plan. How do you see yourself in 5, 10, 20, 50 years from now?

Re: Ask HN: 27, accidentally became wealthy, lost drive. What should I do?

#217
The feelings of boredom and depression are normal. Because your culture and society imposed to-do list - like earn lots of money, work for a prestigious company are no longer relevant. I will not tell you what to do with your money, how to make it last a lifetime. That's unnecessary and not what you are even asking for. Advice regarding those comes from a place of insecurity anyway. Turn inwards. Forget you are European. Forget this is year 2021. You are a human who no longer has to worry about basic necessities. What's left to do? It would be pretty awesome if you could be in control of your emotions. Your desires. It would be pretty awesome if your self image would be independent of the most recent experiences, wouldn't it? To be calm under all circumstances, because you realize that there is nothing in the world to get worked up about. Achieving the state I mentioned above is something worth working towards. While doing that, by all means, travel, skydive, write an operating system from scratch. Or not. Worldly activities don't matter much, they are for the distraction of the mind. That's the reason we keep hopping from one to the other. Look up Ramana Maharshi. It could prove beneficial. Good luck

Re: Ask HN: 27, accidentally became wealthy, lost drive. What should I do?

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> It's a nice sum of money. But it's certainly not enough to live doing nothing for the rest of your life. ??? 7.5m EUR is 8.4m USD. The average number of working years for men is 38 per google (which is also 65-27 the number of years until the poster is 65). 8.4m over 38 years is 221k/yr. The median household income in San Francisco (to pick an expensive city as an example) is 113k/yr. So even assuming the the funds…

g, do you think the 4% thing is even a realistic recommendation today? I also having doubts that index fund investing is even beating inflation in the long run. SPY VOO etc are just 2 of the giant monetary sinks being fed by passive investment through retirement funds, pensions, etc. being cap weighted smooths out the supply from the continuous influx of new money. its growth is an indicator of monetary supply. I hop…

4% who knows-- at least historically it was a pretty conservative figure--, but if your concern about inflation is the ballooning money supply you should expect broad market investment to at least keep pace with inflation, since you're moving your wealth out of the supply-inflating asset.

A really conservative approach for someone like the OP would be to come up with a low watermark level of spending that is enough to live comfortably, invest enough in extremely low risk investments that just keep up with inflation to support that level. Keep their long term obligations within that level of spending... then invest the rest of their money in the market and spend the additional yield discretionarily.

Here is a really conservative approach for the OP's figures: Assume OP could live comfortably on 70k/yr in present dollars and that they'll live to 104. They set aside 77*70k=5.39m dollars in extremely low risk investments which merely expected to at-least meet inflation after taxes. They invest the remaining 3.04 million in riskier investments they expect to return more (market indexes, maybe a few companies, a bit of Bitcoin)-- and spend 4%/yr of that pool on discretionary spending, so an extra 120k/yr bringing their total spending budget to 190k.

Re-balance every once in a while to keep the nearly-riskless pool at the right size to guarantee their base spending level -- adding to it if it under-performed cost inflation or taking from it when it over-performs.

Purchase of a home could be taken out of the base spending pool, so long as care is taken to make sure the the funds needed for its maintenance and property taxes are included in it.

If the riskier investments perform well the discretionary spending budget will go up, if they perform poorly they'll at least preserve their base spending level. They could do somewhat better by immediately cutting spending during down markets -- those 4% figures don't assume that you're doing that but someone whos base spending is secured by another pool of assets should have a lot of ability to do so.

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