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Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Post by zuminator »

drclau wrote: post #105

If you are in doubt about this being revenge, because you think revenge is exclusively a human behavior, then have a look at the Gombe Chimpanzee War [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War

I am still in doubt about this being revenge. I'm not necessarily saying it isn't, but doesn't culling the dogs as a means of pest control also fit the hypothesis? I mean, if a baby in a human town was bit by a rat, we humans would react by trying to eradicate the local rat population. You could call that revenge I guess, but normally we wouldn't ascribe such a passionate motive to our behavior, we would say it was logical to eliminate a source of danger.

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Post by whatevertrevor »

unmole wrote: post #106
FlyingSnake wrote: post #74

I grew up and studied in a University town in Central India, not far from Majalgaon FTA. I've personally witnessed the rivalry of the monkeys and the pariah dogs. In one particular instance a youngish dog was chasing the monkeys and wouldn't let them get on the ground. The leader of the monkey gang made a sudden move, swooped down and carried the dog pup on the tree and just dropped it from there. The pup survived an…

> Langoor monkeys are a fearsome force in India and not to be messed with. I thought langoors were more friendly towards humans compared to macaques?

Yeah I don't think the GP is correct, langoors are more passive and mostly mind their own business (at least in North India). Macaques are a menace everywhere.

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Post by hulitu »

Retric wrote: post #169
FlyingSnake wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a general rule, animals never attack first. When humans encroach the traditional lands of the animals there are conflicts waiting to happen. Monkeys are smart and usually don’t bother humans, unless it’s a matter of food or threat to their group. Edit: I'm surprised at the downvotes, isn't human-wildlife conflict in Indian forests well documented?

As a general rule that’s true but useless. Humans are relatively large animals that most creatures don’t want to mess with. But a hippo for example isn’t discouraged by this. Also the deadliest North American wildlife is the deer almost entirely because they’re jumping in front of cars.

As a general rule stray dogs and wolfs in packs will attack humans.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Post by gherkinnn »

drclau wrote: post #105

If you are in doubt about this being revenge, because you think revenge is exclusively a human behavior, then have a look at the Gombe Chimpanzee War [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War

The only difference is that we’re capable of industrialising that effort.

Thinking otherwise is a mere extension of the Noble Savage.

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Post by oblio »

drclau wrote: post #105

If you are in doubt about this being revenge, because you think revenge is exclusively a human behavior, then have a look at the Gombe Chimpanzee War [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cqECNYmM23A

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Post by tejtm »

jimmyed wrote: post #69
cynusx wrote: post #64

I remember from a visit in Kenya that the way they control monkeys was to keep shooting the alpha until eventually their next leader forces the group to retreat and leave the human settlements alone.

Wonder how many times this has been done with humans throughout history

It appears to contribute to our decreasing brain size for the last 17k years.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Post by oblio »

h2odragon wrote: post #33
analog31 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article said the humans have "culled" about 1000 of the monkeys. It's interesting that we use different euphemisms depending on who's doing the killing.

IMO they don't need to be "culling," which would imply more "humane" means of killing like rifle shots or poisons. They need to go out and kill some monkeys in full sight of the other monkeys, in a personal and ugly way that the moneys understand . Swords and clubs time. Hang bits of the victims where the rest of them hang out. Works for coyotes.

Drag them down to our level and beat them with experience:-D

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Post by throwaway2331 »

rg111 wrote: post #203
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would expect most animals that still exist to at the very least not be a major threat to humans - because if they are, they tend to cease to exist.

These monkeys are not fatally dangerous if that's what GP is saying. But they cause heavy and serious nuisance. Where I live, these monkeys invade gradens, agricultural fields, house rooftops at least 4-5 times a month. The locals drop anything they do, and chase away these monkeys. When chased by an adult male human, these monkeys don't fight back and are easily frightened. They don't mess with adult males or groups…

> An adult male cannot physically take on a monkey. It is impossible. Still they don't attack.

Are you positive?

A chimpanzee: yes. A guerilla: indubitable. But a monkey?

They seem like medium-sized dogs, that can move around quicker and more freely. They'll bite out your flesh, and perhaps maim you to a semi-serious degree (including infection), but I cannot fathom a monkey seriously killing a grown adult male human being.

These are 20-40lb, very aggressive racoons. If you shock them with anything, they're most likely going to flee for fear of serious injury.

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Post by greedo »

h2odragon wrote: post #33
analog31 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article said the humans have "culled" about 1000 of the monkeys. It's interesting that we use different euphemisms depending on who's doing the killing.

IMO they don't need to be "culling," which would imply more "humane" means of killing like rifle shots or poisons. They need to go out and kill some monkeys in full sight of the other monkeys, in a personal and ugly way that the moneys understand . Swords and clubs time. Hang bits of the victims where the rest of them hang out. Works for coyotes.

pour les encourager les autres
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