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YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by ghaff »

tomrod wrote: post #125
saxonww wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd certainly like it if I could pay YouTube TV $15 to get just the sports channels. I only subscribe a few months a year, for college football season. I don't like to watch anything else. So I'm spending $65/mo to watch 3-4 games, which is a little embarrassing to post. I do think I'd rather pay YouTube than ESPN directly, because the latter's video services have never worked well for me. Part of me wishes the vario…

Unfortunately the industry "bundles" (which is really de facto tying, illegal) channels with no value to most with those have are high value. The market for joint subscriptions to History, Bravo, TLC, and ESPN is probably fairly slim.

IANAL but as I understand it, tying is generally only illegal (violation of antitrust) under specific circumstances that relate to having monopoly power in a market.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by ghaff »

supertrope wrote: post #154
BrazzVuvuzela wrote: post #53

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You still don't get it. I want the "channel" format of media (programmed video content aka broadcast programming) to die. Whether it's accessed by paying comcast to watch it over a settop box or paying google to watch it through a browser or app makes no difference to me, it's the same format of content and I want to see it die. And it has been dying. Look at the ads the roll between the shows and it's clear that TV…

It's like unbundling $20 CD into $1 singles. Be prepared for when you get what you wish for. Linear channels and bundling is all to maintain top level revenue. Demonetization will be the death of big budget productions like HBO. We will have more algorithm greenlit average quality content like what pads out Netflix's catalog.

What crippled newspapers as a whole was essentially unbundling. The local car dealerships didn't actually want to pay for foreign news bureaus in Baghdad but if they wanted to run an ad that local people saw on Sunday, that's what they had to do. The crippling of the classified ad market by Craigslist was probably an even bigger blow.

Now, it's hard to argue that people shouldn't be able to pay for just what they want. But now you're effectively arguing for relatively expensive a la carte rentals/purchases which I'm guessing people wouldn't want either if you want to keep revenues neutral. People may want to pay only for the media they watch. But they may not want to pay $5 for a TV show even though I was probably paying way more than that per show when I had cable TV.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by supertrope »

cptskippy wrote: post #132
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #102

Think it’s worrying that YouTube hasn’t realized they’re the disruptor and actually have more value in a lot of people, especially young peoples minds than Disney properties. I don’t see this as a space them worth burning the money to compete in. Makes more sense to invest that back in their own platform, even with their budgets lack of focus can be damaging.

But they, like Sling before and T-Mobile after them, have claimed to disrupt Cable TV while basically just offering Cable TV. The only difference is that you're now responsible for maintaining your own streaming equipment.

A one time $50 purchase of a device is a much better deal than paying $10-$20 monthly rent per box from 2009 that also uses $50 in electricity per year because the power button only cuts video output.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by ghaff »

supertrope wrote: post #157
adamcstephens wrote: post #40

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Is it really much better to have five $15 services to get the same content?

Yes. We finally have a la carte. At a grocery store we pick out exactly what we want. If you were given a take it or leave bundle of $85 you'd laugh and walk out.

It doesn't really make sense in a grocery store context. But that's exactly what something like a farm-share is.

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Post by hnnnnnnngggggg »

humanistbot wrote: post #152
gausswho wrote: post #146

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ESPN will be the last to offer their own subscription, because then people would know how much they are getting away with in broadcast programming. YouTube is almost certainly paying more. Decades of strongarming TV networks has allowed Disney/ESPN to soak up 40%-60% of traditional cable bills at the expense of all other content owners. YT is taking a gamble that backed by the weight of Alphabet they can end this cor…

> ESPN will be the last to offer their own subscription https://plus.espn.com/

ESPN+ does not stream ESPN or ESPN2 live broadcasts.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by sixothree »

CryptoBanker wrote: post #159
sixothree wrote: post #156

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The interface is awful. Just awful. And slow on any hardware I have available. They are lowering the price when one channel leaves but you can’t pick which channels you want. Lastly YouTubeTV doesn’t solve any problems. For instance local channel access is limited to one location.

You’re just saying words now. The app runs smoothly for me even on a Kindle tablet (which can barely run a browser without lag). Any semi-modern device is more than capable of running either YouTube app

My TCL Roku TV isn't more than 2 years old.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by bobdosherman »

heartbreak wrote: post #26

I’m really surprised by the number of top level comments that are confusing two different products: YouTube and YouTube TV. YouTube TV is basically cable TV delivered via the internet with some on-demand content and an “unlimited” DVR system. There are multiple tiers via add-on packages (just like cable), and there is no ad-free offering. YouTube is the video sharing website everyone uses. The ad-free version of whic…

There also seems to be confusion that ESPN+ is equivalent to ESPN, but ESPN+ does not carry the linear programming of ESPN. Using part of the $15 YouTube TV discount to purchase ESPN+ will not make you whole on the lose of ESPN - still no live ESPN content.

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Post by TingPing »

danlugo92 wrote: post #103
foxhop wrote: post #32

If you just want TV on in the background and don't want to pay anything, checkout "Pluto TV" and "Tubi TV", both have apps and may cast to Chromecast or SmartTVs. https://pluto.tv/ https://tubitv.com/ Friends help friends cut cords.

Those are free alright but alllow me to recommend magistv It offers everything that's on star/hbo/netflix/hulu/disney plus/amazon/etc plus live sports plus a lot of live hd channels for just 9 a month.

So... paid piracy...

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by judge2020 »

bobdosherman wrote: post #168
heartbreak wrote: post #26

I’m really surprised by the number of top level comments that are confusing two different products: YouTube and YouTube TV. YouTube TV is basically cable TV delivered via the internet with some on-demand content and an “unlimited” DVR system. There are multiple tiers via add-on packages (just like cable), and there is no ad-free offering. YouTube is the video sharing website everyone uses. The ad-free version of whic…

There also seems to be confusion that ESPN+ is equivalent to ESPN, but ESPN+ does not carry the linear programming of ESPN. Using part of the $15 YouTube TV discount to purchase ESPN+ will not make you whole on the lose of ESPN - still no live ESPN content.

ESPN+ does provide some live TV, but not all of it. For example, it contains the upcoming monday's NFL game, but none of the NCAA games today.

https://www.espn.com/espnplus/schedule/_/type/upcoming/categ...

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