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Jack Dorsey and the Unlikely Revolutionaries Who Want to Reboot the Internet
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#12Right now this Web3 "solution" seems completely divorced from the problem. Right now the big "problem" we have is that the big tech companies hold way too much power to control speech. I don't understand how Web3 is supposed to solve this problem.
The real solution IMO is the Metaverse. Rather than a centralized authority with control over all the content, everyone would contribute to a protocol, much like email works. This I feel will kill the debate (as in, resolve it forever) over speech online. It's not that censorship will go away, I'm sure some providers will try to censor content, but it will be a non issue, cause you can just go and get the same content from another provider.
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#13I've read the article (thank you rvalue for the link to the archived copy).
I'm no wiser as to what this reboot might consist of.
Re: Jack Dorsey and the Unlikely Revolutionaries Who Want to Reboot the Internet
#14Right now this Web3 "solution" seems completely divorced from the problem. Right now the big "problem" we have is that the big tech companies hold way too much power to control speech. I don't understand how Web3 is supposed to solve this problem. The real solution IMO is the Metaverse. Rather than a centralized authority with control over all the content, everyone would contribute to a protocol, much like email work…
>The real solution IMO is the Metaverse. Rather than a centralized authority with control over all the content, everyone would contribute to a protocol, much like email works.
The Metaverse will be controlled by Facebook, which will define the protocol and control all of the content. If you want some kind of decentralized, Mastadon-like network for VR, that would be a completely different thing which (as far as I know) no one has actually made yet, not the Metaverse. But the Metaverse everyone will use will absolutely be controlled by Facebook, and if not them, Microsoft or some other centralizing entity.
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#15There are lots of more compelling ways to reboot the internet that we're currently neglecting. I think we should begin by enacting government regulation to strip more power from the big tech companies, and transfer that back to the hands of everyday users. GDPR was a step in the right direction. We should go one step further, and actually enact the data portability promises that GDPR failed to deliver. We should deve…
What really excites me about the possibilities for a new web are all the regulations we can draft up and enforce on everyone.
We're going to end up with interoperability standards one way or another. The alternative is to just roll over and let the tech companies build them to their satisfaction and enforce them on us instead. That sounds very Web 2.0 to me.
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#16Right now this Web3 "solution" seems completely divorced from the problem. Right now the big "problem" we have is that the big tech companies hold way too much power to control speech. I don't understand how Web3 is supposed to solve this problem. The real solution IMO is the Metaverse. Rather than a centralized authority with control over all the content, everyone would contribute to a protocol, much like email work…
>The real solution IMO is the Metaverse. Rather than a centralized authority with control over all the content, everyone would contribute to a protocol, much like email works. The Metaverse will be controlled by Facebook, which will define the protocol and control all of the content. If you want some kind of decentralized, Mastadon-like network for VR, that would be a completely different thing which (as far as I kno…
_A_ Metaverse will be controlled by Facebook. One will be controlled by Microsoft, one will be controlled by NVIDIA, many will be decentralized using blockchain technologies like Web3. I see no reason to give the term to Facebook, just because they announced their product first. It's an arms race and Facebook merely fired the first shot.
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#17everyone needs equal access to public data. right now only big tech can download the many web pages (without thottling or being ip banned) on linkedin (microsoft), youtube (google), facebook, github (microsoft) and billions of more pages. this also leads to a gap on AI training sets to give big tech even more entrenchment. for instance, only microsoft can build that ai coding application they did because other compan…
access to public data doesn't really mean much. A lot of training data already is public. Increasing computational resources and reducing the cost of communication always has a centralizing effect, for basic economic/energy/efficiency reasons, it increases the benefits of division of labor and returns at scale.
The history of technological process is a history of agglomeration and if web3 reduces barriers all it does is creates more, not less leverage for centralization, the same way the internet did after a short phase of disruption, or even book printing for that matter.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
>The real solution IMO is the Metaverse. Rather than a centralized authority with control over all the content, everyone would contribute to a protocol, much like email works. The Metaverse will be controlled by Facebook, which will define the protocol and control all of the content. If you want some kind of decentralized, Mastadon-like network for VR, that would be a completely different thing which (as far as I kno…
_A_ Metaverse will be controlled by Facebook. One will be controlled by Microsoft, one will be controlled by NVIDIA, many will be decentralized using blockchain technologies like Web3. I see no reason to give the term to Facebook, just because they announced their product first. It's an arms race and Facebook merely fired the first shot.
No one was even talking about the "metaverse" until Facebook mentioned it. After Facebook mentioned it, no one was talking about anything other than what Facebook (or Meta) would do with it. Anyone looking to provide services or create content for the Metaverse is focusing on Facebook. All of the discussion on Hacker News about the metaverse is relative to Facebook.
There is no arms race here. There won't be many "decentralized" versions "using blockchain technologies." Maybe there will be one, and as with all other decentralized alternatives to social media, most people won't care about it. Everyone else will be using Facebook's version because everyone is already using Facebook and they already own the cultural mindshare. No one cares about NVIDIA's Omniverse.
Maybe Apple or Microsoft or Google also offer versions, but all of them will be centralized.
Sorry, you've already lost. And Web3 is just a scam.
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#19Dorsey's arm wavey Block is a reboot of Nelson's Xanadu dream. Replace transclusions and zippers with blockchains.
Though Nelson never pretended Xanadu would or could be democratic, explicitly stating it'd be a new rent seeking regime. Eschewing ads for fees.
I wonder if Dorsey feels any contrition over Twitter.
Square (SQ $77b) runs on fees and uses ML to mitigate fraud and protect commerce.
Twitter (TWTR $36b) runs on ads and uses ML to amplify fraud and sabotage civil discourse.
Imagine if Twitter had been run like Square. Would Twitter's market cap be more proportional to it's cultural impact? Or would it have simply ceded the parasocial mediums to the other amoral profiteers of fear and outrage?
Stretching my capacity for both creduality and principle of charity, I hope Dorsey is trying to find out with Block.
And if DeSo, DeFi, FyFoFum, or whatever other magic beans fiction serves the end goal of restoring civil discourse, the suspension of disbelief would be a small price to pay.
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#20billionaires != revolutionaries
Billionaires never want to revolutionize the system that made them billionaires in the first place. It would be tantamount to admitting their gains were ill-gotten.
At best, they're just figuring out new ways to transfer more wealth in the existing frameworks. At worst, they're pulling up the ladders they climbed up after them so none may follow (and challenge) them.