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>illegal copying amd stealing ideas I find the notion that ideas can be owned to be anti-humanist. We finally invent something that costs nothing to share or copy, and we immediately invent reasons why we can't. Imaginary property was invented by and for lawyers.
If IP wasn't a thing then what would be the incentive to find new IP? Why would anyone make movies, do drug research, etc
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There is less correct but funnier comparison. It's a cartoon comparing the various licences as if they were a dad: http://www.wtfpl.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/wtfpl-strip.... TikTok probably tought that OBS was licensed under the WTFPL ;)
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I'm more talking about big budget projects that require large and expensive teams, rather than indie projects or music. Say, The Lord of the Rings or the Pfizer vaccine. Achievements of this scale can't be done by small groups of the intrinsically motivated. Without some IP protection, private capital wouldn't pursue these projects. You may think that sacrificing these things is worth it, but at least be up front abo…
counterpoint: without ip the economy would be a multiple of its current size and such projects would easily be funded.
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If IP wasn't a thing then what would be the incentive to find new IP? Why would anyone make movies, do drug research, etc
because they are paid to do research.
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I'm more talking about big budget projects that require large and expensive teams, rather than indie projects or music. Say, The Lord of the Rings or the Pfizer vaccine. Achievements of this scale can't be done by small groups of the intrinsically motivated. Without some IP protection, private capital wouldn't pursue these projects. You may think that sacrificing these things is worth it, but at least be up front abo…
counterpoint: without ip the economy would be a multiple of its current size and such projects would easily be funded.
You must mean publicly funded, which I don't dispute.
> the economy would be a multiple of its current size
Why? I haven't heard reasoning presented in this thread as to why the negative consequence of removing incentive for private capital to invest in research doesn't outweigh the positive consequence of fostering an IP commons that can be leveraged by everyone. Maybe you can lay out the case for that.
Isn't it the best to have a middle ground where the worst parts of IP protection (e.g patent duration and insulin prices) are tamed, and the beneficial parts are kept (e.g. not letting people take wholesale another company's codebase, and allowing private ownership of movie rights for at least 5-10 years)?
[0] https://github.com/orgs/bytedance/repositories?q=live&type=a...
Chinas whole economy is built on illegal copying amd stealing ideas, who is surprised? Not me.
Is it clear whether it's a "fork" (i.e. the entirety or a significant portion of the code is used in the derivative work), or whether they just found some utility snippet in an open source project and forgot to wash it? Also isn't TikTok Chinese?
What's your point?
People are misunderstanding this and claiming it's not problematic. Ben Torrell (an OBS developer) notes later in the thread that there is indeed GPL code compiled into TikTok's executables; since source is not available and they have not got another license, it is unlicensed and hence illegal.
I wonder if the GPLv3 violation pulls in TikTok's other software and infrastructure under it. That'd be one for the ages (like OpenWrt was [0]) if FSF manages to reign it in! [0] https://thenewstack.io/the-open-source-lesson-of-the-linksys...
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