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TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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Post by criddell »

G3rn0ti wrote: post #144
anthk wrote: post #125

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In Europe being an engineer has civil accountability on issues. You can be fined really high if you hire a self-called engineer without a proper degree. Or at least decades of alleged experience in the field.

Well, yes, this applies to engineering. But not to software engineering. Personally, I like „software engineering“ as it is — being a free profession where talent counts more than a degree.

> talent counts more than a degree

Are you saying for MD or PE that talent doesn't matter?

Anybody can say they are a software engineer. The title means nothing.

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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Post by pphysch »

KoftaBob wrote: post #80
0xdeadb00f wrote: post #16

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I don't think this is unique to China lol. Organisations around the globe steal IP all the time.

It's not unique to China, but it's particularly prolific in China. One of the major reasons for the US tariffs against China was pressure for them to actually respect IP.

That is the official story. Obviously, though, it's really about kneecapping PRC's rapidly growing high-tech industries and "containing China's rise".

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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Post by oolonthegreat »

apparently OBS devs don't want to share direct evidence yet and resolve it privately probably due to their GPL Cooperation Commitment. while I'm sure we all appreciate that, it would be nice to see the decompiled binaries and the exact violations, just so we can explicitly point them out and argue.

I find it VERY easy to believe that Tiktok are indeed in violation, but right now all we have are statements and a 302 redirect to Microsoft Directx download page.

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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Post by pphysch »

criddell wrote: post #117
BusyLurker3K wrote: post #91

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This is a horrible take. A Chinese company stealing IP is very different from China stealing IP. Google was caught using IP from Sogou for its pinyin IME, but we don't say America stealing IP.

ByteDance is partially controlled by the government so I don't think your Google analogy is a good one. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-17/beijing-t... https://qz.com/1788836/targeting-tiktoks-privacy-alone-misse...

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Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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Post by jnwatson »

wccrawford wrote: post #119
AustinDev wrote: post #85

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There were 6 to 12 months iirc where they did not distribute their source required by GPL. I have close friends on the OBS team.

If nobody asked for the source and was denied, they were not yet in violation. They aren't required to actually post it online. They can simply send it to someone when asked.

They are required to post the notice about how to get the source code.

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Post by BuildTheRobots »

ollien wrote: post #109
jazzyjackson wrote: post #90

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I think the complaint is more about twitter being an unreliable trash news source akin to the daily mirror, rather than pedestrian complaints of how the format is annoying

What makes Twitter any different in reliability than someone's blog? HN is filled with random blog links

The obvious difference is that it's impossible to explain any complex or in depth information using 280 characters or less. Trying to follow a thread of tweets (without using a 3rd party site) is painful. Heck, this throwaway response barely fits.

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Post by woodruffw »

johnebgd wrote: post #137
vlovich123 wrote: post #101

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That’s not the only repercussion. They can sue for copyright infringement and there can be large fines.

Not a lawyer but seems like source projects would have a hard time showing damages since they don’t charge for the software.

I don't believe you need to demonstrate specific damages for a copyright infringement case in the US. You only need to demonstrate two facts: that you are the legitimate holder of the copyright, and that the other party did in fact infringe.

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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Post by mmcgaha »

criddell wrote: post #108
oliwarner wrote: post #70

It's concerning how many self-labelled software engineers on Twitter are chipping in with comments like "it's open source so it's fair game" or "they just need to add attribution".

It might not be like this everywhere, but in the US all software engineers are self-labelled. It's not like medical doctor (MD) or professional engineer (PE) where the title actually implies some license to practice.

It has been many years since After The Gold Rush was published and we are no closer today than we were then. At some point software engineering will be a real profession but I doubt anyone will take action before some huge catastrophe pushes the issue.
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