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TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

#91

China stealing intellectual property? If only we could have seen this coming!

This is a horrible take. A Chinese company stealing IP is very different from China stealing IP. Google was caught using IP from Sogou for its pinyin IME, but we don't say America stealing IP.

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

#92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It won’t change if it’s not prosecuted.

In what court that protects IP and has jurisdiction in China would one file that lawsuit?

Good point and as expected, I have no idea. The question is if I have to file the lawsuit in China. My knowledge of law goes towards zero so I can’t even „armchair lawyer“ it. However, the question would be if it was possible to file the lawsuit in a country where TikTok has a headquarter.

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

#93
post #38

I'd like to see HN shy away from posting twitter threads as news. There's almost always a hard link to the source material, and twitter threads are filled with emotional, truncated, nuance-lacking, trite clips that more often than not do little to promote healthy discussion of a topic. The goal of quality here really is noble.

From the HN guidelines: > Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—things like article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting.

You follow the letter of the law, not the spirit.

Or maybe you do not: examples given are not similar to what GP refers to.

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

#94
Open source software license should include a clause saying that it is mandatory for commercial users to pay a certain amount of contribution annually, let's say 0.01% of gross revenue?

So if they find it too expensively they can simply turn away and build their own, which is good for whoever get the chance to do some lower level programming, and if they find it OK the open source authors/maintainers can get some good money. It's a win-win. Of course this might request open source authors/maintainers to form a more rigid organization (how to share the profit).

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

#95
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a way to buy oneself out of GPL license? I beleive there's not.

The authors can re-license right, even for one (paying) customer? They could also pay for the promise not to sue? IANAL.

Only if the project owns the copyright or otherwise has been granted such powers in their contribution agreement. Otherwise, no. They’d have to get approval from every autho/rewrite the code they don’t have a license for to provide a copy that isn’t GPL.

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

#96
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The authors can re-license right, even for one (paying) customer? They could also pay for the promise not to sue? IANAL.

I remember reading that it should be able for users to sue instead of the author, if they cannot ccess the source of GPL'ed software.

I’m fact it’s only the users who have standing to request the source. The author’s have standing to sue for copyright infringement.

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

#97

Are they technically obligated to provide the source code online, or could they just say: "Well it's available on request, and no one has done so"? The just mail out a USB stick or DVD to anyone who asks? I believe that's with in the limits of the GPLv2.

Sure but then couldn't whoever receives the USB or DVD post the source code someplace more convenient? I'm not sure what that "workaround" would accomplish.

It's designed to discourage people from exercising their GPL rights. If they push code every day and the only way to get the most updated code is to pay for a CD to be mailed to you, it becomes quite tiring to keep an up to date online copy.

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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post #63
post #38

I'd like to see HN shy away from posting twitter threads as news. There's almost always a hard link to the source material, and twitter threads are filled with emotional, truncated, nuance-lacking, trite clips that more often than not do little to promote healthy discussion of a topic. The goal of quality here really is noble.

Why would a newspaper article that regurgitates the Twitter thread be any better? If the source is Twitter then I much prefer a link to Twitter.

But the news isn’t that somebody on Twitter found this license issue, the news is that there’s a license issue. A tweet could be a good tip for a journalist to do journalistic things like finding out if its true and writing up some context of how this has happened before and what GPL is, that way the story can be understood by a wider audience.

Twitter is popular for people obsessed with hearing the latest rumor, but if TikTok is an illegal fork of OBS, I’d rather hear a few days later the well researched details - or if its a nothingburger overreaction, then I’d rather not hear about it at all.

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

#100
post #51

The original Tweet (embedded one from HunterAP) says TikTok installs OBS and uses it in the background with a TikTok front-end. It doesn’t say that they’ve illegally forked it. EDIT: See comments from OBS developer below for a more clear explanation of the issues than the linked Tweet

OBS developer here. It doesn't "install OBS in the background". They ship several executables as part of their software that contain code derived from OBS and there is no offer of source code. They're currently in violation of the GPL, but per our GPL Cooperation Commitment we are trying to work this out with them privately.

Thanks for the clarification.

Is there anywhere where this is written up more clearly? Even on Twitter? Would be good to circulate a more clear explanation of what's going on.

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