President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 3:55 PM UTC

CapitalistCartr wrote: post #316

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #300

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> should be only one remedy: imediate expulsion of any agent of repression of the Chinese state There should be the same remedy that is provided to any other bully. These are still kids. There is a learning opportunity. If they refuse to learn, yes, expulsion should be in the cards.

This isn't some kids bullying another kid. These are adults representing a national government. This is a nation bullying someone inside the United States for exercising free speech. The message needs to be received in Beijing, not merely Indiana.

Post by Bayesian_bro » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 3:56 PM UTC

jacobsenscott wrote: post #467

Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

Wow. not "forgetting about slavery" is tearing the country apart? You are so far down the racist q-anon rabbit hole, I doubt you can see your way out. The US is today, and always has been deeply racist. That didn't end when slavery ended. The main forces tearing this country apart today are white nationalists who were so freaked out that cops started being held accountable for modern day lynchings that they are tryin…

Post by lazide » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 3:57 PM UTC

abruzzi wrote: post #468

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Perdue President Mitch Daniels said “Those seeking to deny those rights to others, let alone to collude with foreign governments in repressing them, will need to pursue their education elsewhere,” but there is no indication that the students have been expelled. The statement is bizarre and nonsensical if the students are not expelled.

"If those students can be identified..." It sounds from the statement that they don't know who they are at this point. This sounds to me like an initial statement before a full investigation has completed. I would also say that for the rights of other students, there should be some kind of fair process to ensure that the accused are fairly treated.

Post by lazide » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 3:59 PM UTC

colinmhayes wrote: post #411

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It also sounds like they’d need proof they colluded with a foreign entity which is a very high bar.

> Those seeking to deny those rights to others I'd say harassment falls into this category, so no proof of collusion with the CCP is needed.

Post by star-trek-fleet » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 4:01 PM UTC

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One of the best ways for those of us in the democratic West to combat this is to not tolerate when our own governments promote false narratives. This displays the virtues of our imperfect system better than anything else, imo. Don't tolerate lies, hypocrisy, or sophistry from our leaders even if they are nominally on 'our side'.

I mean I think that is a very simplistic, limited and isolated point of view to address a population, but also very optimistic about the democratic West population capability to logically read situations. I see tennis players in China being incarcerated for speaking out, I saw recently a video of a guy trying to report about Uyghurs concentration camp, and if I was worried as Americans right now about China (not even…