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TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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I'd like to see HN shy away from posting twitter threads as news. There's almost always a hard link to the source material, and twitter threads are filled with emotional, truncated, nuance-lacking, trite clips that more often than not do little to promote healthy discussion of a topic. The goal of quality here really is noble.

sometimes thats where the news is

Including this case. The "original" original is a Discord message.

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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OBS is willing to work with TikTok to get them into compliance. That would either mean open-sourcing the software or paying for a license.

Is there a way to buy oneself out of GPL license? I beleive there's not.

Yea. Pay someone to write it from scratch.

Basically, it's practically (not ethically) fair game to use GPL in commercial software, until someone catches you. The only repercussion that the license provides is that your license is revoked until you resolve the violation (for the first violation).

Meanwhile, you got to release your product, and by the time you got caught you've had enough time to implement it yourself.

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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Are they technically obligated to provide the source code online, or could they just say: "Well it's available on request, and no one has done so"? The just mail out a USB stick or DVD to anyone who asks? I believe that's with in the limits of the GPLv2.

Sure but then couldn't whoever receives the USB or DVD post the source code someplace more convenient? I'm not sure what that "workaround" would accomplish.

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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Are they technically obligated to provide the source code online, or could they just say: "Well it's available on request, and no one has done so"? The just mail out a USB stick or DVD to anyone who asks? I believe that's with in the limits of the GPLv2.

GPLv2 requires you to either distribute the source with the binaries, or provide the recipient information on how to obtain the source code. It also states that providing a link to the source code next to the binary download on your website is sufficient. See GPLv2 section 3 for more details.

TikTok have not provided a link to its source code, not are there instructions on their site or within the download package indicating where users can obtain the source code. Therefore, it's a violation.

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The OBS project has accused StreamLabs of copying their name and stealing their trademark (By naming their software StreamLabs OBS). I'm not sure about any source code thievery.

Streamlabs violated OBS' trademarks, their fork has always complied with the GPL.

There were 6 to 12 months iirc where they did not distribute their source required by GPL. I have close friends on the OBS team.

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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Are they technically obligated to provide the source code online, or could they just say: "Well it's available on request, and no one has done so"? The just mail out a USB stick or DVD to anyone who asks? I believe that's with in the limits of the GPLv2.

Yep. "available on request" is perfectly allowed, there's no requirement that it be on a publicly available webpage.

No, the offer of source code must be explicit, not just available if anyone happens to ask.

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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People expecting OBS to get millions from this are naïve. Almost certainly TikTok will change the software to just use OBS independently to avoid the issue. If OBS wants money they should use a dual license.

Nobody says they want money. They likely just want the GPL violation to stop, one way or another.

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a fan of the GPLv3 limiting the available response to copyright violations. Time limits in particular. It's one of the less clear parts of the license IMHO, and it affects the primary means of enforcement. Fortunately a lot of GPLv3 code is actually 3+ so maybe if a version 4 ever comes along this nonsensical restriction on enforcement will be more limited. I do understand the reasons around accidental misuse…

I'm not personally a fan of protecting against accidental misuse. No other law offers significant leniency for ignorance that I am aware of.

I am very much in favor of laws that offer leniency for procedural violations. For example, I believe "You built this building before you got a permit to build it" shouldn't be a crime - there should only be a punishment if I cannot retrospectively get a permit in a reasonable timeframe.

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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I'd like to see HN shy away from posting twitter threads as news. There's almost always a hard link to the source material, and twitter threads are filled with emotional, truncated, nuance-lacking, trite clips that more often than not do little to promote healthy discussion of a topic. The goal of quality here really is noble.

From the HN guidelines: > Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—things like article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting.

I think the complaint is more about twitter being an unreliable trash news source akin to the daily mirror, rather than pedestrian complaints of how the format is annoying
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