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Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Post by tekknik »

Nursie wrote: post #988
tekknik wrote: post #955

Earlier quoted context omitted.

most of which the companies have not been shielded against, like in this case, and again most of which was not developed in a rushed fashion to address an immediate need. have you forgotten about the people having heart issues after receiving the shot?

Not at all, but they are a tiny number of people from the multiple billions now vaccinated, and the vast majority of them recover just fine. This is a very safe vaccine, far safer than getting covid (at any age) and that wouldn't make it 'experimental' anyway.

our definitions of experimental are very different.

you also assume that if issues didn’t arise shortly after vaccination that issues won’t arise down the road, this is why we do lengthy drug trials and not “5 min express” approvals.

and if it’s so safe then how come the companies developing them still have immunity? if it’s safe and not experimental we can remove that and open them up to lawsuits right?

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Post by tekknik »

dbt00 wrote: post #836
tekknik wrote: post #828

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Yay, more injections of experimental vaccines!

Yay, fewer people dying of preventable diseases!

I’ve known 4 people that have had COVID, none vaccinated and none needed hospitalization. it’s almost like getting COVID isn’t a death sentence.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Post by loourr »

somewhereoutth wrote: post #781
loourr wrote: post #70

Yes. Covid will continue to mutate to become more contagious and less deadly. This is the natural progression of endemic viruses, they don't want to kill their hosts and they want to spread.

Please give us an example of an endemic human virus that naturally progressed to become more contagious and less deadly?

the common cold or the flu

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Post by native_samples »

ADSSDA wrote: post #961
native_samples wrote: post #944

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And why do we think that? Because public health agencies said so? It's not because the trials proved it - they didn't. At only ~64,000 participants the e.g. Pfizer trial was not powered to show any difference to deaths and didn't use hospitalizations as a goal metric either, only infections. And so we're forced to rely on the testimony of the same people in charge of the program, where their data is often missing or…

I don't have to trust public health agencies. I can go look up the numbers in my local hospital or ask family members who work there. >90% of ICU cases and deaths are unvaccinated. Hand wavy arguments about "the data is bad!" from a non-peer reviewed paper with 0 citations does not convince me that you're arguing in good faith.

If your (English) family are telling you that then I wonder when they said it because the official figures were just updated and say >50% in ICU are vaccinated now. It's been changing over time because the vaccines wear off so fast.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Post by tekknik »

Nursie wrote: post #988
tekknik wrote: post #955

Earlier quoted context omitted.

most of which the companies have not been shielded against, like in this case, and again most of which was not developed in a rushed fashion to address an immediate need. have you forgotten about the people having heart issues after receiving the shot?

Not at all, but they are a tiny number of people from the multiple billions now vaccinated, and the vast majority of them recover just fine. This is a very safe vaccine, far safer than getting covid (at any age) and that wouldn't make it 'experimental' anyway.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/1...

Hmmm…

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Post by ADSSDA »

native_samples wrote: post #994
ADSSDA wrote: post #961

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have to trust public health agencies. I can go look up the numbers in my local hospital or ask family members who work there. >90% of ICU cases and deaths are unvaccinated. Hand wavy arguments about "the data is bad!" from a non-peer reviewed paper with 0 citations does not convince me that you're arguing in good faith.

If your (English) family are telling you that then I wonder when they said it because the official figures were just updated and say >50% in ICU are vaccinated now. It's been changing over time because the vaccines wear off so fast.

Now you are falling victim to a very common cognitive bias known as the "base rate fallacy". Please read the following:

https://garycornell.com/2021/07/28/the-base-rate-fallacy-x-o...

EDIT:

In the case of my numbers, I'm based in the US. I wish we had a high enough vaccination rate to worry about the base rate fallacy. I'm surrounded by rural areas who unfortunately don't believe in vaccines until they show up in the ER. We have an enormous surgical backlog due to antivaxxers having filled up the hospitals for months on end.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Post by native_samples »

ADSSDA wrote: post #996
native_samples wrote: post #994

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your (English) family are telling you that then I wonder when they said it because the official figures were just updated and say >50% in ICU are vaccinated now. It's been changing over time because the vaccines wear off so fast.

Now you are falling victim to a very common cognitive bias known as the "base rate fallacy". Please read the following: https://garycornell.com/2021/07/28/the-base-rate-fallacy-x-o... EDIT: In the case of my numbers, I'm based in the US. I wish we had a high enough vaccination rate to worry about the base rate fallacy. I'm surrounded by rural areas who unfortunately don't believe in vaccines until they show up in the…

How bizarre. You're the one who brought up that stat in the first place, I'm only pointing out that it's incorrect, at least for the UK - and the US isn't going to be very different. There's no base rate fallacy here because I'm not even building an argument on that data to begin with, you are!

"We have an enormous surgical backlog due to antivaxxers having filled up the hospitals for months on end."

You have a surgical backlog because your hospitals have been firing staff. Former "heros" who, quite sensibly, observed that as they'd already had COVID they didn't need a vaccine for it, and who were immediately demonized and excluded despite the hospitals supposedly being overwhelmed. You might want to meditate on that and consider whether that's the expected course of action during a crisis or not.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Post by ADSSDA »

native_samples wrote: post #997
ADSSDA wrote: post #996

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now you are falling victim to a very common cognitive bias known as the "base rate fallacy". Please read the following: https://garycornell.com/2021/07/28/the-base-rate-fallacy-x-o... EDIT: In the case of my numbers, I'm based in the US. I wish we had a high enough vaccination rate to worry about the base rate fallacy. I'm surrounded by rural areas who unfortunately don't believe in vaccines until they show up in the…

How bizarre. You're the one who brought up that stat in the first place, I'm only pointing out that it's incorrect, at least for the UK - and the US isn't going to be very different. There's no base rate fallacy here because I'm not even building an argument on that data to begin with, you are! "We have an enormous surgical backlog due to antivaxxers having filled up the hospitals for months on end." You have a surgi…

I get the feeling you are getting your information from highly political sources rather than getting out from behind the screen and talking to real live people.

Where I live, there is no vaccine mandate for hospital staff due to staffing concerns. Talking with actual local physicians, nurses and doctors are quitting in droves after seeing a huge amount of preventable death in the past few months, by patients who deny the reality of the disease they have, and whos families harass hospital staff about treatments that don't work (hcq/ivermectin/whatever the latest magic pill is now).

I actually am against vaccine mandates and don't think anyone who doesn't want the vaccine should be forced to take it. That said, if you don't take it, I don't want you in the hospital if you end up getting covid. Take hcq/ivermectin/whatever joe rogan is saying now rather than occupy a hospital bed, don't clog up the hospital due to your mistake.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Post by cudgy »

johnisgood wrote: post #970
cudgy wrote: post #965

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“…if not billions of lives by preventing hospitalization, death and further overloading of medical systems worldwide.” No remote way that it saved billions of lives. Covid is nowhere close to that level of mortality. The level of exaggeration that people have allowed themselves to succumb to over Covid is frankly quite alarming.

What can I do to convince them that it is not as bad as they think it is?

Sadly. My guess is that for some people there is nothing you can do to convince them. These people believe what they hear on CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, etc and are too lazy to consider documents and statistics that do not support their favorite news personalities.

It seems that major news sources have decided to suppress any information that disputes the reductive and simplistic storyline that the vaccine and masks are the perfectly effective and only solution.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Post by [deleted] »

dang wrote: post #635
jimmyearlcarter wrote: post #510

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You know Covid-19, like the flu, is treatable right? https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/ . Also in what universe does the flu kill hundreds of thousands of people?

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