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Re: Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

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Post by noduerme » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 5:17 AM UTC

btown wrote: post #57

nyuszika7h wrote: post #28

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> So don't buy/install it. But don't take away that choice from other people. It's not that simple. You are purposefully bringing up an extremely rare use case to detract from the fact that 99% of users of this software are going to be abusive parents who install it on their children's phones without consent. (Or heck, maybe even abusive spouses.) If parents are that concerned, even banning their children from "innoc…

Designing systems that don't empower abusers is so, so incredibly important. Completely separately, though, it's also the case that OP is essentially building an Internet-connected backdoor into the system that will have been permitted to monitor cross-app activity. Even if data is E2E encrypted, that doesn't mean the software is immune from vulnerabilities that could then piggyback on the elevated permissions given…

I mean, you can run any binary you want on MacOS if you disable Gatekeeper or go into the security settings and allow an exception for it. The developer doesn't need to be known or notarized by Apple. If you trust the source, go for it. If it's your wife or child's computer and you're installing spyware on it anyway, why worry?

Re: Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

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Post by noduerme » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 5:23 AM UTC

qubitcoder wrote: post #213

FunHearing3443 wrote: post #192

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There's nothing immoral about it if the parent is up front with the child, the child knows the device is monitored. If they don't want to be monitored, then they don't get the device. I know for a fact once my kids are older not a packet will leave my house without getting snooped at least by a parent controls filter. I'm sure they'll find ways around it (as I did as a technical child) but kids need to be protected f…

The position being put forth here is frankly rather horrific and abusive, and on multiple levels. Normally I'd aim to provide a more substantive response, but I'm not even sure where to begin.

I find the idea of snooping horrific and yet strangely find myself agreeing with the parent, because it may be the lesser of two evils at this point. So much of what's online and what can happen to a kid online is even more horrific. FWIW, I don't have kids, so I'm not sure what I'd do. But I know I had my first sex chat on IRC when I was 12, in the dialup days, and it could have gone pretty badly if I hadn't been paranoid enough not to give out my phone number or address to the "14 year old girl" I was chatting with. Things are much, much, much worse now.

Re: Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

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Post by oneplane » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 5:24 PM UTC

jgod wrote: post #180

oneplane wrote: post #177

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Our managed networks are company property and if you try to install spyware on it you'll be kicked off. All of that is in the contract that you sign when you join the workforce. It also is not your personal network to toy with.

So the head of the household should issue corporate MDM software/devices to his family and self instead of the much easier route of consumer software.

Nothing I wrote had anything to do with 'household'. Even in the first line I talk about managed networks, not some home gamer doodad.

Anyway, the "head of the household" should get out of 1920 and find out about talking to your family like a person and using standard parental controls as validation, not weird policing. If you make your home a battle, people will find the stuff they want elsewhere and not talk to you about it if they have questions.

Re: Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

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Post by jgod » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 9:42 AM UTC

oneplane wrote: post #233

jgod wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the head of the household should issue corporate MDM software/devices to his family and self instead of the much easier route of consumer software.

Nothing I wrote had anything to do with 'household'. Even in the first line I talk about managed networks, not some home gamer doodad. Anyway, the "head of the household" should get out of 1920 and find out about talking to your family like a person and using standard parental controls as validation, not weird policing. If you make your home a battle, people will find the stuff they want elsewhere and not talk to you…

The manager of your company should get out of 1920 and find out about talking to the employees like a person and using standard content controls as validation, not weird policing. If you make your workplace a battle, people will find the stuff they want elsewhere and not to talk to you about it if they have questions.

Re: Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

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Post by Jonovono » Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 9:11 PM UTC

melff wrote: post #176

Jonovono wrote: post #25

I think we will be moving back to web apps (PWA). The app store was always a hack and the web3 movement is incompatable with app stores. I'm working on a mobile browser for PWAs https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/wapps-private-minimal-browser/...

moving everything into the browser is a bad fix for broken software distribution.

Why? (and i'm not suggesting moving everything to the browser)