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There oughta be a WiFi Game Boy cartridge

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Re: There oughta be a WiFi Game Boy cartridge

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Wonderful, pure creativity and determination at work here. It's so cool to see what wild ideas people will follow through with. A gemini client would be a cool next step for this: https://gemini.circumlunar.space/

Genuinely curious, why is the next step creating a Gemini client?

Re: There oughta be a WiFi Game Boy cartridge

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It seems a little like cheating to put modern microcontrollers inside the cartridge that do all the heavy lifting. At what point are you basically just using the game boy's screen connected to a much more powerful external computer? It would be like me creating a new "SNES game" with a raspberry pi stuffed inside the cartridge with GPIOs mapped to the SNES cartridge interface and saying "there oughta be a full 3d SNE…

> It seems a little like cheating to put modern microcontrollers inside the cartridge that do all the heavy lifting. As a sometimes hobbyist homebrewer, instinctively I am inclined to agree. But I'll argue the counter-case. The Game Boy (and consoles like the NES and SNES) were intended to be expanded with additional hardware in the cartridge, from the beginning in anticipation of new technology. There were commercia…

You can do that perfecly, as most company logos were full screen.

Source: I owned GB games since I was a child.

Re: There oughta be a WiFi Game Boy cartridge

#83

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Oh man, you're in for a treat today :) So, while gopher works like any website (you can host your own server for people to visit), the main hub of the "gophersphere" is floodgap. It's run by someone who runs spiders to index sites, and maintains an html gopher proxy, so you can browse gopher sites from your browser. https://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw.lite So starting there will let you branch off to whatever you f…

Click the first link and.... "Malicious Activity Detected You appear to be using software associated with or exhibiting bot-like activity. This is banned for security reasons. If this is a legitimate access, please E-mail gopher@floodgap.com with an explanation. httpi/1.7.2 (nano_inetd_turbo/AIX) by Cameron Kaiser" Well, never mind.

https://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw.lite?=hngopher.com+70+...

Re: There oughta be a WiFi Game Boy cartridge

#84
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That's pretty common for cartridge based games. Want your gameboy to support RTC? Add an RTC chip on the cartridge. Need more RAM or persistent memory? Slap more in the cartridge. This is no different.

I think the general vibe from the OP comment is that a lot of the fun with low spec and retro hardware is working with restrictions and squeezing new and novel amounts of use out of old hardware. But once you get to the stage of putting a much much more powerful computer in the cartridge, you come to the realization that you can do basically anything at this point and treat the gameboy as a dumb display/input device.…

For some perspective, even the oldest network enabled addons sold for the GB/GBC did the same exact thing (such as the official Mobile Game Boy Adapter). It's more like, without doing it this way, it's not even possible.

Re: There oughta be a WiFi Game Boy cartridge

#85

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Click the first link and.... "Malicious Activity Detected You appear to be using software associated with or exhibiting bot-like activity. This is banned for security reasons. If this is a legitimate access, please E-mail gopher@floodgap.com with an explanation. httpi/1.7.2 (nano_inetd_turbo/AIX) by Cameron Kaiser" Well, never mind.

Please do send me the explanation. The proxy gets a lot of crap from bad bots (which in turn can make it burdensome on downstream sites) which requires controls, but the heuristics are just that, heuristic. If there's something to whitelist, I will.

FWIW, I got exactly the same message, and all I did was click the floodgap.com link in spicybright's post. Floodgap.com has never seen another request from me so I don't know what it could be detecting. I'm just using Microsoft Edge on Windows 10.

Re: There oughta be a WiFi Game Boy cartridge

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I think the general vibe from the OP comment is that a lot of the fun with low spec and retro hardware is working with restrictions and squeezing new and novel amounts of use out of old hardware. But once you get to the stage of putting a much much more powerful computer in the cartridge, you come to the realization that you can do basically anything at this point and treat the gameboy as a dumb display/input device.…

For some perspective, even the oldest network enabled addons sold for the GB/GBC did the same exact thing (such as the official Mobile Game Boy Adapter). It's more like, without doing it this way, it's not even possible.

I don't see the complaint as "it's wrong to use powerful chips in a cartridge". As has been pointed out, even contemporary cartridges did things like that.

I see the 'complaint' is that there's a creative/artistic appeal to seeing what can be squeezed out with limited/constrained resources.

Or, at worst, does it make sense to use an old console like the Game Boy if you're going to use such a fancy cartridge?

I'm reminded of the MythBusters episode where they tried to make a cannon from a wooden log. They resorted to using modern power tools. "I'm not doing anything they wouldn't have done if they had access to these tools!".

I think the project is pretty cool, anyway.

Re: There oughta be a WiFi Game Boy cartridge

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It seems a little like cheating to put modern microcontrollers inside the cartridge that do all the heavy lifting. At what point are you basically just using the game boy's screen connected to a much more powerful external computer? It would be like me creating a new "SNES game" with a raspberry pi stuffed inside the cartridge with GPIOs mapped to the SNES cartridge interface and saying "there oughta be a full 3d SNE…

> It seems a little like cheating to put modern microcontrollers inside the cartridge that do all the heavy lifting. As a sometimes hobbyist homebrewer, instinctively I am inclined to agree. But I'll argue the counter-case. The Game Boy (and consoles like the NES and SNES) were intended to be expanded with additional hardware in the cartridge, from the beginning in anticipation of new technology. There were commercia…

The razor blade - razor strategy. Sell you a cheap base to host the real useful bit.

Re: There oughta be a WiFi Game Boy cartridge

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It seems a little like cheating to put modern microcontrollers inside the cartridge that do all the heavy lifting. At what point are you basically just using the game boy's screen connected to a much more powerful external computer? It would be like me creating a new "SNES game" with a raspberry pi stuffed inside the cartridge with GPIOs mapped to the SNES cartridge interface and saying "there oughta be a full 3d SNE…

My favorite example of an expansion chip is a 32-bit ARM V7 at 21.47 MHz on a cartridge for SNES, which itself had a 16-bit CPU that is an enhancement of 6502, at nominal 3.58 MHz. All for a game of shogi, a Japanese variant of chess: https://twitter.com/Foone/status/1177652135841779713

Re: There oughta be a WiFi Game Boy cartridge

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It seems a little like cheating to put modern microcontrollers inside the cartridge that do all the heavy lifting. At what point are you basically just using the game boy's screen connected to a much more powerful external computer? It would be like me creating a new "SNES game" with a raspberry pi stuffed inside the cartridge with GPIOs mapped to the SNES cartridge interface and saying "there oughta be a full 3d SNE…

"I thought using loops was cheating, so I programmed my own using samples. I then thought using samples was cheating, so I recorded real drums. I then thought that programming it was cheating, so I learned to play drums for real. I then thought using bought drums was cheating, so I learned to make my own. I then thought using pre-made skins was cheating, so I killed a goat and skinned it. I then thought that that was cheating too, so I grew my own goat from a baby goat. I also think that is cheating, but I’m not sure where to go from here. I haven’t made any music lately, what with the goat farming and all."

Re: There oughta be a WiFi Game Boy cartridge

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Use cases where they are the only processor (and thus necessitate use case specific programmablity like you're saying) came later. That wasn't the intially planned market.

It came before they were hackable. I have been following it for years. It was fun seeing cheap Chinese smart devices being exposed and each WiFi enabled one would have an ESP8266 and only it aside from some SMD capacitors and resistors. I’m not saying they were sold as hackable. I’m saying they were deciphered easily as the only microcontroller required for the smart devices.

Those came 1-2 years after initial release. 8266 started out as a SDIO wifi dongle for extremely cheap (~$30) tablets.
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