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If TV Companies Released Authorized Torrents With Ads, Would You Download Them?

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Re: If TV Companies Released Authorized Torrents With Ads, Would You Download Them?

#51
I was reading a book called "Super Crunchers" (a book on industrial use of data-mining), and it mentioned a company called "Epagogix" which predicts movie profits (also covered less tersely by Malcome Gladwell - http://www.gladwell.com/2006/2006_10_16_a_formula.html).

In Super Crunchers, it describes a meeting between Epagogix, some potential investors, and some Hollywood heavyweights. The investors quizzed the movie guys on why they didn't want to buy in - the movie guys said that even if Epagogix could get 100% accurate, they wouldn't use it. If they used it, they would lose some of their own influence, and so they wouldn't get invited to the right parties. The investors loved that response, because it meant that the market was ripe for disruption. Epagogix wasn't so happy, though.

When broadcasters control a channel, they don't just get to tax it. They get personal perks as well.

You might think that the purpose of toll boothes is to pay for roads. People who work in toll boothes might think it's the other way round.

TV channels are the same - you might think execs are there to ensure only good shows get access to limited screen-time, but they think that limited screen-time exists to keep them in a job.

Re: If TV Companies Released Authorized Torrents With Ads, Would You Download Them?

#52

No. Why would I watch content with ads when I can already watch the same content without ads? Content middlemen: you've lost. The 21st century has no place for you. Distribution is now dirt cheap and dirt simple. You can't add any value because you don't solve any hard problems. All you've done for the last 10 years is make content harder to pay for. Content creators: make content, add it to your website, charge $2 (…

Why would I pay $2 to watch content without ads when I can just download the same content from a torrent site for free?

Re: If TV Companies Released Authorized Torrents With Ads, Would You Download Them?

#53
The giant elephant in the room is being overlooked: Advertisements have a lifespan measured in months, weeks, or days. Television content can stay relevant for decades.

Imagine it's the year 1997. Aliens from the planet GNU have gone back in time and provided us with bittorrent, and technology making dial-up modems a million times faster (but they still drop their connection if your mom picks up the phone). You just torrented and watched the latest Seinfeld episode, "The Muffin Tops", and have forever changed your muffin-eating habits.

While watching, you saw ads for Apple's "Think Different" campaign, McDonald's Arch Deluxe, and that "Da Da Da" Volkswagen commercial (which is now stuck in your head). You go out and buy the car, buy a Mac, and buy a Big Mac because the Arch Deluxe tastes like crap.

In 2007 you watch The Muffin Tops again. The old ads from 1997 are still embedded in the file. Apple's ad seems weird since the logo is all rainbows. You drive to McDonald's to get an Arche Deluxe because now you're an adult and it'll taste good, but they don't have it anymore, so you cry and drive home to sign a petition website to bring it back. Nobody ever reads it. Along the way your Volkswagen breaks down and you remember how that terribly sounding ad tricked you into buying such an unreliable piece of junk. You get a lift from the aliens, but they charge you one anal probe for the ride. Now you hate Apple, hate McDonalds, hate Volkswagen, and hate that the aliens didn't have the common decency to at least warm up their metal tools before use. Ouch.

Re: If TV Companies Released Authorized Torrents With Ads, Would You Download Them?

#54
Product Placement. Product Placement. Product Placement. Product Placement. Product Placement. Product Placement.

I know it's kind of annoying/cheap sometimes when a camera zooms in on the Bud Light logo in a fridge, or when Don Draper says that he loves Smirnoff (lawl), but its the only choice that the studios have. They must turn to product placement as their primary source of advertising revenue.

Because if they just release it, realistically, somebody will just download the file, remove the ads, and reupload it so the net effect will largely stay the same. One huge difference is that people who normally dont torrent and stream (like my girlfriend and mom) would probably do this. Granted for every episode they download, I download 10, but its an improvement.

If they would offer torrents with ads, available IMMEDIATELY upon airing it (say the torrent is available the second the show airs or 20 minutes before or next week or whatever) and I could get it at a comparable speed (or faster) than TPB, then that would change things. Product placement is still much cleaner and more sustainable.

Re: If TV Companies Released Authorized Torrents With Ads, Would You Download Them?

#55
i don't really see the point. i can't imagine the transfer protocol matters. otherwise, putting ads that have less capability than web streams (because they're contained in a local file) seems like a red herring. content companies have tried streaming and they've simply decided they don't like the internet.

it seems to me that content available online experiences immediate devaluation. why am i going to pay more to place an ad during your content when i can target the same audience for pennies elsewhere online? why am i going to pay the same for syndication or for physical media?

streaming license costs will continue to rise until they reach equilibrium with existing revenue streams with the corresponding rise in access costs, or decent quality streaming will cease to exist (legally). likely the latter will happen simply as a result of the former.

Re: If TV Companies Released Authorized Torrents With Ads, Would You Download Them?

#56
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Absolutely. I was recently kicked off my cable provider's ISP for excessive DMCA violations (torrenting) after DVRing and their OnDemand services proved too shoddy to actually watch. (And I forgot to DVR one show, to be fair. That one's completely on me.) It seems that they could ask you to sign in to a service, offer free show in segments, and build in local (or at least relative) advertisements. I'm told web ads co…

Stop suing because we want to watch the shows you've told us are available for free, our entire lives. Amen. They should be thrilled their product is getting torrented so much- it means people like their product so much, they will commit crimes to get it. Few businesses are blessed with the problem of too many rabid fans.

It's only great if you can monetize it.

Re: If TV Companies Released Authorized Torrents With Ads, Would You Download Them?

#57

No. Why would I watch content with ads when I can already watch the same content without ads? Content middlemen: you've lost. The 21st century has no place for you. Distribution is now dirt cheap and dirt simple. You can't add any value because you don't solve any hard problems. All you've done for the last 10 years is make content harder to pay for. Content creators: make content, add it to your website, charge $2 (…

Why would I pay $2 to watch content without ads when I can just download the same content from a torrent site for free?

Well, there's the whole "I'd rather buy it than pirate it" thing. Plenty of people want to buy content, it's just that the content makers are stuck in old-fashioned business models.

Re: If TV Companies Released Authorized Torrents With Ads, Would You Download Them?

#58

The giant elephant in the room is being overlooked: Advertisements have a lifespan measured in months, weeks, or days. Television content can stay relevant for decades. Imagine it's the year 1997. Aliens from the planet GNU have gone back in time and provided us with bittorrent, and technology making dial-up modems a million times faster (but they still drop their connection if your mom picks up the phone). You just…

Except this same scenario happened if you recorded off TV; or used a DVR like Tivo.

Now imagine the benefits of a torrent option where they have the option of updating the ads every 6-12 months; and releasing fresh torrents (or even better they use your IP Geo info when you fetch the torrent and have region-specific torrent offerings with different ads in them.)

Maybe if its a legit source, you're more likely to download it when you need it from the trusted source, instead of hoarding the file for 10 years, swapping it with friends through other means, etc.

Bonus for increased likelihood that you're swarming with people closer to you instead of slower connections on the other side of the globe

Re: If TV Companies Released Authorized Torrents With Ads, Would You Download Them?

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would I pay $2 to watch content without ads when I can just download the same content from a torrent site for free?

Well, there's the whole "I'd rather buy it than pirate it" thing. Plenty of people want to buy content, it's just that the content makers are stuck in old-fashioned business models.

My issue was with jrockway saying "why should I download a file with ads for free when I can download it for free" and then saying that the solution is to charge for it... when it will also be available for free.

Re: If TV Companies Released Authorized Torrents With Ads, Would You Download Them?

#60

The giant elephant in the room is being overlooked: Advertisements have a lifespan measured in months, weeks, or days. Television content can stay relevant for decades. Imagine it's the year 1997. Aliens from the planet GNU have gone back in time and provided us with bittorrent, and technology making dial-up modems a million times faster (but they still drop their connection if your mom picks up the phone). You just…

This sounds like Matt Damon in Good Will Hunting. Nice writing!
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