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India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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India had a lot people from the beginning. unlike europe they did not occupy others lands so it sounds big but nothing.

As a matter of a fact no one has more chidren than 2 here but in USA most have more than 2 and they make fun of countries for doing the same. stupid world

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> the first national family planning program An odd euphemism for a program that, in practice, involved forced sterilizations and eugenics: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-30040790 According to Vox: "In 1975, Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi ordered the declaration of a national emergency. She seized dictatorial powers, imprisoned her political rivals, and embarked, with the help of her son Sanjay, on a…

If America can change the entire fertility of a country merely by the president getting frustrated, imagine what we could do when the entire legislature is upset! Or the one comment is just used to defray blame, America does not have cosmic superpowers and India is in fact capable of making their own national decisions, seeing that they are a state. Sanger like most historical characters is imperfect (so was LBJ) but…

I’m guessing by that the threat of less aid money was probably more important than the president’s frustration level…

But I agree the overall story is complex and we can’t blame things entirely on singular policy comments, even those from powerful foreign nations.

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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Population growth clearly can't continue forever; we may as well get it to zero now instead of kicking the can down the road.

Someone will need to replace the socio-feminist countries, why not India?

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>As though it's a greater good for society that instead they're punching in numbers into a spreadsheet at a widget factory. It might not be the greater good for society, but it is good for women who want to be self sufficient. >It didn't used to have to be this way and maybe we should figure out why it has to be that way now, then fix that. It turns out that many women want to have financial freedom (i.e. freedom), a…

Financial freedom in their marriage? If you meant single moms then they have to be able to make money. That much is obvious. But then let's address broken homes. If we're going to tackle big problems that one seems like it would have the greatest impact. Not least of which for the kids, who seem to not be factored into this conversation at all.

Financial freedom, full stop. People stay in abusive, unhealthy, etc. relationships because of financial dependence all the time. "Broken homes" have nothing to do with it.

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Global population will basically top out at 9-10bn. I look forward to the problems we will face then, and the apocalyptic narratives the media will invent about this new problem. Here's my shot at a few: - Even with better quality of life its going to be hard to make people who are over 70 work productively. But without children less and less people will need to take care of this large old age group. And they will ne…

Religion can help? - I have a Mormon co-worker. They have 8 kids. Move whole family to Japan. Told me that every time they came home to US they took a row in the wide body Jet.

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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Contrary to what some may believe, this is not a good thing for India. We Indians have grown old before we became rich. https://www.adb.org/sites/default/files/publication/557446/a... (The story is about Sri Lanka, but the insights are applicable to South India in general. And now to parts of North India.)

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Global population will basically top out at 9-10bn. I look forward to the problems we will face then, and the apocalyptic narratives the media will invent about this new problem. Here's my shot at a few: - Even with better quality of life its going to be hard to make people who are over 70 work productively. But without children less and less people will need to take care of this large old age group. And they will ne…

Religion can help? - I have a Mormon co-worker. They have 8 kids. Move whole family to Japan. Told me that every time they came home to US they took a row in the wide body Jet.

I’ve wondered about something like that. Lower population growth seems to be a direct consequence of modern liberal society, where women are allowed and encouraged to choose having a career over raising a family.

And despite glib sound bites from well-to-do upper class families who can afford a fortune for high-quality childcare, it may simply be that the average middle-class woman cannot “have it all”, and must make the choice between a fulfilling career or a large family.

If my assessment is correct, it seems to end up in a scenario where, tautologically, the fecund inherit the Earth. In this case, society naturally drifts back towards a more conservative view of family roles over the next century, since only people who live those values increase their numbers. Perhaps, long-term, we enter a regular cycle of populations rising and falling, with each demographic turnover lasting a full century or more.

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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Financial freedom in their marriage? If you meant single moms then they have to be able to make money. That much is obvious. But then let's address broken homes. If we're going to tackle big problems that one seems like it would have the greatest impact. Not least of which for the kids, who seem to not be factored into this conversation at all.

Financial freedom, full stop. People stay in abusive, unhealthy, etc. relationships because of financial dependence all the time. "Broken homes" have nothing to do with it.

You're not wrong. People do stay in relationships due to financial dependence. Is that an outlier that can be addressed? Does the existence of an outlying circumstance require a shifting of society? Broken homes, as an aside to my questions here, have so much more to do with current day problems than almost any other issue. Can we find a way to tackle all of these issues? Right now it feels like scorched Earth.

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I always thought that when our western governments talk about this problem, they are not concerned with the back breaking work that needs doing, but the amount of tax being paid by younger generations not enough to cover pensions and all the expensive medical conditions old people have. I think its mostly a financial problem, not a physical labor problem.

> I think its mostly a financial problem, not a physical labor problem. what does this mean? i assume in your picture, the taxes (finance) are paying for the labor. if not, what is it that we’re struggling to finance?

Most people over the age of ~65 are given $967.50 a fortnight. (its means tested - but the family home is not counted). They spend that on whatever they like. I shudder to think how much goes into the pokies.

Old people like to visit the GP, like every week, to chat about the weather and that weird pimple that's been growing in weird places. That's also paid for by the government.

Here is a breakdown of where one Australians Tax Money goes. https://imgur.co/NmCZa5V

I'm of the opinion that the aged pension should be no different to unemployment benefits given we have free healthcare as well.

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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post #48

Global population will basically top out at 9-10bn. I look forward to the problems we will face then, and the apocalyptic narratives the media will invent about this new problem. Here's my shot at a few: - Even with better quality of life its going to be hard to make people who are over 70 work productively. But without children less and less people will need to take care of this large old age group. And they will ne…

Over population of humans created the biggest problem already. Climate change, farming too much to feed that, 96% of all mammals are human and livestock, only 4% are wild that we can't exploit, 70% birds are poultry, other species are going extinct.

But people here are self centred like always, so those are not bigger problem to them but future economy is.

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