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'We won and we didn't notice' - a conversation with Jeremy Allison of Samba

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Re: 'We won and we didn't notice' - a conversation with Jeremy Allison of Samba

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

With that said Linux has become the most popular Unix variant by a large margin Nah, OSX is Unix remember.

Macs don't outnumber embedded devices though.

No, but iOS is a derivation of OS X, so you have to take all the iDevices into account too. Probably Linux still has the numbers.

Re: 'We won and we didn't notice' - a conversation with Jeremy Allison of Samba

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"Where once Samba and Apache sold Linux to the world they are now just part of the plumbing." What I'm taking away from this article is that indeed Linux has became plumbing. Long gone are the glamorous times when Linux and the FOSS movement in general were the underdog and apparently the price for victory is becoming a commodity.

Why is being a commodity a "price"? Even if we are applying the (obsolete) ideals of commercial success, nearly every company I know of would love to be a commodity.

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Macs don't outnumber embedded devices though.

No, but iOS is a derivation of OS X, so you have to take all the iDevices into account too. Probably Linux still has the numbers.

Android devices alone are enough to more than offset all iOS devices.

http://mashable.com/2011/01/31/android-most-popular-platform...

Even were that not the case, the consumer handheld market is dwarfed by the rest of the embedded market.

Re: 'We won and we didn't notice' - a conversation with Jeremy Allison of Samba

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but iOS is a derivation of OS X, so you have to take all the iDevices into account too. Probably Linux still has the numbers.

Android devices alone are enough to more than offset all iOS devices. http://mashable.com/2011/01/31/android-most-popular-platform... Even were that not the case, the consumer handheld market is dwarfed by the rest of the embedded market.

You're linking to a chart that only talks about handsets when it comes to iOS, and ignores the iPod touch and the iPad. It was written in January and a good chunk of the iOS devices sold have been sold since.

According to Apple, at the time of WWDC, iOS was the largest mobile operating system, across all devices (using that standard since you said "all iOS devices") with approximately %44 market share to androids %35 market share.

Of course it is difficult to know for sure, because so many sources of stats only count phones (ignoring the iPad and iPod touch) and the stats for android are not very clear either with many manufacturers shipping large quantities of android tablets that have not, apparently, been selling thru to customers.

Re: 'We won and we didn't notice' - a conversation with Jeremy Allison of Samba

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"Where once Samba and Apache sold Linux to the world they are now just part of the plumbing." What I'm taking away from this article is that indeed Linux has became plumbing. Long gone are the glamorous times when Linux and the FOSS movement in general were the underdog and apparently the price for victory is becoming a commodity.

Why is being a commodity a "price"? Even if we are applying the (obsolete) ideals of commercial success, nearly every company I know of would love to be a commodity.

I didn't mean it that way, Linux did become ubiquitous but not in the way some people (including me) hoped it would. I mostly meant that despite being one of cornerstone of the internet, it's far from the glamorous future some of us hoped for.

Re: 'We won and we didn't notice' - a conversation with Jeremy Allison of Samba

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android devices alone are enough to more than offset all iOS devices. http://mashable.com/2011/01/31/android-most-popular-platform... Even were that not the case, the consumer handheld market is dwarfed by the rest of the embedded market.

You're linking to a chart that only talks about handsets when it comes to iOS, and ignores the iPod touch and the iPad. It was written in January and a good chunk of the iOS devices sold have been sold since. According to Apple, at the time of WWDC, iOS was the largest mobile operating system, across all devices (using that standard since you said "all iOS devices") with approximately %44 market share to androids %35…

Ah, well in that case: "Even were that not the case, the consumer handheld market is dwarfed by the rest of the embedded market."

Re: 'We won and we didn't notice' - a conversation with Jeremy Allison of Samba

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For context: "In twenty years everything has become Linux. I have a music system that is entirely Linux-based. I have a video streaming and TV watching system that is entirely Linux-based. I wouldn't be surprised if every flat screen television I have is also Linux-based. The laptop and the desktop my wife uses to do her online banking and email is Linux. My phone is Linux, and my son's tablet PC is Linux..." So his…

> Linux has become the most popular Unix variant by a large margin

Really? I thought that was OS X / iOS.

Re: 'We won and we didn't notice' - a conversation with Jeremy Allison of Samba

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android devices alone are enough to more than offset all iOS devices. http://mashable.com/2011/01/31/android-most-popular-platform... Even were that not the case, the consumer handheld market is dwarfed by the rest of the embedded market.

You're linking to a chart that only talks about handsets when it comes to iOS, and ignores the iPod touch and the iPad. It was written in January and a good chunk of the iOS devices sold have been sold since. According to Apple, at the time of WWDC, iOS was the largest mobile operating system, across all devices (using that standard since you said "all iOS devices") with approximately %44 market share to androids %35…

My guess is that even if 44% is 'all iOS' and android matches only to 35% of that, the remaining '9%' of iOS devices plus all OSX installs are dwarfed by the remainder of all (non-android) linux installs, which I think was the original point.

Out of curiosity, I wonder what OS Apple's embedded devices use, such as the wifi access points?

Re: 'We won and we didn't notice' - a conversation with Jeremy Allison of Samba

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But I think you would be surprised by the amount of consumer electronic devices that run linux. My Toshiba TV runs linux, and it doesn't have a DVR or anything like that. None of those fancy widgets and internet connectivity. Just a plain up TV running linux.

[It's not that I don't believe you, just curious] .. how do you know it runs Linux?

As for me, a nmap scan of my Sony TV shows that it runs a Linux kernel in the 2.6.9 - 2.6.28 range. It's likely just used for the Internet functionality and perhaps for the on-screen UI. Port 12345 is open and responds to telnet, but it's password protected and I've never been able to determine what the password would be.
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