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Re: Ask HN: Are most of us developers lying about how much work we do?

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> Do people regularly run into coworkers like me during their career and simply ignore it because they find it too awkward to criticize them? Yes exactly this, especially at larger companies. I know a few of those developers, and they sit right near me... They find a way to make any task take forever... If it was a smaller company they would be called out, but at my [very, very] large company - its very hard to get f…

It must have been a couple of months because...

> I keep this link sitting around and enjoy dusting it off every couple of months or so

> https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-...

Re: Ask HN: Are most of us developers lying about how much work we do?

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58 minutes after posting, your post has 134 points and sits at the top of Ask HN. I think that answers your question a lot more clearly than the comments themselves. What you've said is clearly resonating with a lot of readers, even if they may not say so in the comments.

Re: Ask HN: Are most of us developers lying about how much work we do?

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This is the case for other parts of the workforce. I admire those in service that really work their ass off (drivers, cleaners, cooks, etc.)

From my work experience, about 90-95% of people do barely any work (have tasks that take months). I would get in a team of 15 people and I'd be the only one doing something, everyone else is just making some slides for weekly presentations and not even that. The amount of part-time people that do nothing is even greater. The amount of consultant experts that work for consultant agencies and get loaned to other companies that do nothing is massive.

I think it's the standard way of life in most cities. I do not quite understand why that percentage of the workforce won the work lottery.

Re: Ask HN: Are most of us developers lying about how much work we do?

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I work really hard, but I might be an anomaly. I can't get much done in the time many people might.

My brain is bad at focusing on things, so it takes a lot of effort to engage, become productive, and then stop. There's a lot of time build up inertia, but then it's difficult to reduce that inertia as well. As a result I'm fairly inefficient by default.

I have a practice of never billing for inefficient time. I don't feel right doing it. As such, I tend to work an average of 10 hours per day but end up billing for more like 7 or 7.5. It's just a reality that I live with now.

So no, I can't get by on 5-10 hours per week. I would be fired quickly.

Although I have the knowledge to do my job well, I lack the executive function. Improving that is one of my main objectives but it's much easier said than done. I think it's the one thing that would improve my career and personal life the most.

All that is to say, there are plenty of reasons why some people work more or less. I work more than you because I'm not a productive person. I'm not a 10xer, I'm not more committed, I'm not more effective. I simply have to in order to get an acceptable amount of work done.

Re: Ask HN: Are most of us developers lying about how much work we do?

#98
> ” Do people regularly run into coworkers like me during their career and simply ignore it because they find it too awkward to criticize them”

I ran into people like but don’t care because I am not your boss. I (and others) do our fair amount of work which is usually enough to get the job done, despite you. I would never work late to cover you not working, but I never had to do that so far. I also don’t have a moral opinion about you cheating the company (after all you signed an agreement that you are not fulfilling just because you do not get caught). So I don’t mind either way.

The thing is, it’s easy to cheat employers being a software developer on a place where people don’t know much about software and/or don’t care much. Just don’t assume everyone does it.

Re: Ask HN: Are most of us developers lying about how much work we do?

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> Do people regularly run into coworkers like me during their career and simply ignore it because they find it too awkward to criticize them? Yes exactly this, especially at larger companies. I know a few of those developers, and they sit right near me... They find a way to make any task take forever... If it was a smaller company they would be called out, but at my [very, very] large company - its very hard to get f…

I first was driven mad by people like this... 5 days work and 2 lines of java code committed modifying class visibility etc. then I slowly became them after realizing busting my ass everyday for a corporation was not worth it. (also reading gervais' piece on losers/clueless/sociopath triad in orgs)

Same here. Once I realized that my efficiency in output only helps my immediate management look good (as opposed to me getting promos/bonuses), I lost all motivation to go above and beyond.

The only time I felt like doing my best was for a manager who genuinely wanted to get me promoted, and he did it smartly.

Re: Ask HN: Are most of us developers lying about how much work we do?

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I think there's also something to be said for passive processing. Sometimes I'll know I need to write some code or some function and I'll just think about it in the back of my head while doing other things, sometimes for a whole day or two. Then I'll sit down and write it in like 20-30 minutes. Did I work 20-30 minutes, or have I been working for a day or two? I would say a day or two, and the 20-30 minutes was the t…

This.

I will backburner a ticket for days, then when what I need to do comes together I will sit down and bang it out in an hour.

It's to the point that I will deliberately review a ticket and code segment every day, even if I'm not actively working it, just to have the pieces come together in my mind and crank out the ticket.

This method is not very scrum friendly, because in truth I'm actually brain-working all of my tickets at the same time, but I haven't shifted any electrons, just neurons.

Sometimes, when I hit a sticking point, I go do something completely different - like read Hacker News - in order to push stuff into what I call "background processing" in my subconscious.

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