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India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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Post by whatshisface »

godelski wrote: post #177
zpeti wrote: post #48

Global population will basically top out at 9-10bn. I look forward to the problems we will face then, and the apocalyptic narratives the media will invent about this new problem. Here's my shot at a few: - Even with better quality of life its going to be hard to make people who are over 70 work productively. But without children less and less people will need to take care of this large old age group. And they will ne…

A lot of these problems can go away if we can get automation right and done soon enough (though it comes with other problems itself). With automation Western nations need not rely on immigrants as much for labor as their own populations decline and age. Some services can also become a lot cheaper, like food delivery and even the food itself. I often think we frame things poorly. Wealth inequality is a problem the sam…

In a world that already has Teslas running around the roads and solar farms being built for profit, but that doesn't already have economical carbon capture, it turns out that renewables are actually the conservative way out.

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Post by nradov »

reducesuffering wrote: post #158
JPKab wrote: post #95

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Agreed. Think about the fact that the result of a low birth-rate with better medical tech keeping older people from dying when they otherwise would have. The result will be a far higher percentage of voters in democracies will be beneficiaries of the work of people younger than them. They will increasingly vote to expand the benefits they receive, at the expense of the younger folks who have to pay higher taxes to fu…

That won't end until young people actually show up to polls just as significantly. Politicians cater to their voting constituents and the elderly show up to vote stronger. Some of this is due to our suspect "you have this 1 Tuesday to do it" voting day. But what young people can do is make it socially unacceptable to not vote like the elderly do to each other.

Most states have some form of early voting, although access can still sometimes be a challenge.

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Post by 8note »

bhouston wrote: post #91
rcoveson wrote: post #80

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> For sure. But at some point there won't be enough humans to run an advanced society. How can we acknowledge that we need a lot of people to run the sort of society we ended up with today without also reasoning that the more advanced society we might achieve in 100 years might need a lot more people? There's nothing special about 10 billion people. People have been throwing out numbers as "overpopulation tipping poi…

Humans are resources in a general sense. More humans means more resources which you can throw at various challenges, problems. So you are right. More humans has benefits. But unfettered growth isn't sustainable, this has been proved again and again. So what we need is controlled growth or at least sustainable levels. Right now we are switching into a decrease which will be very jarring and not sustainable. We've neve…

We've never had unfettered growth. People are limited in how many children they can have, and how many they want to have. We can trust parents to know how many children they want. We don't need a bureaucrat telling us when we can have sex and when we're required to have sex

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ElectronShak wrote: post #100

"Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground" [1] From the above portion of scripture, I wonder why we humans, are so concerned about population growth. Children are a blessing from God, have as many as you'd like. 1. https://biblehub.com/genesis/1-28.htm

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Post by reducesuffering »

_haoa wrote: post #145

Taking this as an opportunity to plug the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement (VHEMT). Pay no attention to the tongue-in-cheek name, it has nothing to do with mass suicide or genocide, and merely advocates for us to stop breeding. From https://www.vhemt.org/ : > Phasing out the human species by voluntarily ceasing to breed will allow Earth's biosphere to return to good health. Crowded conditions and resource shortage…

You'll just naturally select yourself out of the gene pool...

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Post by soperj »

dotnet00 wrote: post #12
netizen-936824 wrote: post #5

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Why is the goal to get rich? That seems lame and shortsighted

If the country does not get richer faster than it gets older, the increasingly older population will suffer, having to work till they're older and getting less financial support (healthcare, pensions etc) because there would be proportionally fewer healthy young people to pay in to the system.

I keep seeing this, but then I look at how rich countries treat their old people, and generally it's stuff them in retirement homes, which seem like awful places.

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Post by ElectronShak »

nynx wrote: post #162
ElectronShak wrote: post #154

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I agree, although I don't look at Christianity as religion, from my understanding of the new testament..Christ was crucified basically because he didn't follow "the law of their fathers"..religion essentially. The aim is not to convince though, but to raise the question, why does our generation think that anything scriptural cannot be treated as fact. Why are newtons laws fact, but not his convictions? Are we so take…

There is an obvious answer to that: Newton's laws match our observations of reality, ignoring relativistic effects. Scripture is written by someone to reflect their opinions. They often have truths in them, but they're just a story. They don't reflect reality any more than Harry Potter does. To answer your second question: science is not based on a god or gods. Scientific thinking often branched out of religion, but…

aa..cool. But then, very few people actually get to "prove" or consciously "observe" newtons laws, but a principle is a principle whether you believe it or not. In fact, at lower levels of education, you simply read and believe these, as fact, from those that have written about them, and proved them. Can't we say the same about Christianity?

PS: Note that I avoid the word religion, as it dilutes Christianity, The Gospel of the New Testament.

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Post by downWidOutaFite »

baybal2 wrote: post #168
lotsofpulp wrote: post #161

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I assume people not consuming as much as the people in the EU and USA have a goal of consuming as much as the people in the EU and USA.

They very much do, but now they have to pay "carbon tax" invented by people who were responsible for most of the pollution until China

History isn't fair but this resentment is going to destroy humanity.

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Post by paxys »

ElectronShak wrote: post #100

"Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground" [1] From the above portion of scripture, I wonder why we humans, are so concerned about population growth. Children are a blessing from God, have as many as you'd like. 1. https://biblehub.com/genesis/1-28.htm

> From the above portion of scripture, I wonder why we humans, are so concerned about population growth

Maybe because most of the ~8 billion people on the planet don't care about a random passage in the Bible, or even know that it exists?

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