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India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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"Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground" [1] From the above portion of scripture, I wonder why we humans, are so concerned about population growth. Children are a blessing from God, have as many as you'd like. 1. https://biblehub.com/genesis/1-28.htm

https://biblehub.com/galatians/5-12.htm

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Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

#112

"Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground" [1] From the above portion of scripture, I wonder why we humans, are so concerned about population growth. Children are a blessing from God, have as many as you'd like. 1. https://biblehub.com/genesis/1-28.htm

It says "fill the earth"; so one could argue that once the earth is "filled" (meaning, has as many people living on it as it can reasonably support), then the "increase in number" directive will no longer be active; and that the mission will switch to maintaining a healthy population.

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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Is there a need to a sustainable population rate? There are about 8 billion humans on the planet. We can sustain a sub replacement birthrate for generations. There is a good chance we can sustain it for long enough to solve aging; or at least significantly push back the ~100 year limit to human life. Once we do that, we will need generations of sub replacement fertility just to compensate for having more generations…

> Is there a need to a sustainable population rate? At some point yes we do. > There are about 8 billion humans on the planet. We can sustain a sub replacement birthrate for generations. For sure. But at some point there won't be enough humans to run an advanced society. > here is a good chance we can sustain it for long enough to solve aging; or at least significantly push back the ~100 year limit to human life. Onc…

> A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it. . . . An important scientific innovation rarely makes its way by gradually winning over and converting its opponents: it rarely happens that Saul becomes Paul. What does happen is that its opponents gradually die out, and that the growing generation is familiarized with the ideas from the beginning: another instance of the fact that the future lies with the youth.

— Max Planck

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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> the first national family planning program An odd euphemism for a program that, in practice, involved forced sterilizations and eugenics: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-30040790 According to Vox: "In 1975, Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi ordered the declaration of a national emergency. She seized dictatorial powers, imprisoned her political rivals, and embarked, with the help of her son Sanjay, on a…

The Gandhi family was all about total control and megalomania

Sikh genocide in 1984

Putting the opposition in jail and declaring an emergency

Ass kissing USSR and adopting "socialist" ideals - in the 60s you needed licenses to own things like radios and bicycles - till the 1990s there were only 3 to 4 brands of cars you could buy in India without being a millionaire

The Congress party was so hated for so many decades, which is why the nationalist right-wing party of Modi keeps winning even though he is also over the top.

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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> I predict these issues will cause bigger problems than population expansion ever did. I think that unfettered population growth would have caused massive issues -- you could say that global warming is one of its legacies. But there will be a whole host of new issues as we face this new challenge of moving towards sustainable fertility. I suspect we will see a lot of government intervention with incentives towards l…

Many European countries have extremely generous benefits for raising children, but it has been broadly ineffective at raising birth rates - with the possible exception of the Czech Republic. I agree though that governments are going to try, and they may find a way to do it. There was a good episode of The Weeds podcast, "Baby making vibes," which talked about this. Some of it is focused on the American political lens…

European countries may have generous benefits for raising children, but they’re not even close to covering the costs of children. I doubt there are many people who will decide to have children based on these benefits.

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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Global population will basically top out at 9-10bn. I look forward to the problems we will face then, and the apocalyptic narratives the media will invent about this new problem. Here's my shot at a few: - Even with better quality of life its going to be hard to make people who are over 70 work productively. But without children less and less people will need to take care of this large old age group. And they will ne…

> I predict these issues will cause bigger problems than population expansion ever did.

You need to factor in the problems that population expansion would cause in the future.

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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What about vasectomies? They seem to be widely known

These can be difficult to get for younger, childless men. Even younger men (<40) with children receive push back from physicians in getting the procedure because it can be difficult to reverse.

Then you can assume alternatives would also be difficult to get approval for. I can't imagine some chemical option would be preferable to a physical disconnection anyway.

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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post #106

"Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground" [1] From the above portion of scripture, I wonder why we humans, are so concerned about population growth. Children are a blessing from God, have as many as you'd like. 1. https://biblehub.com/genesis/1-28.htm

Most people have a completely different mental framework than you and have more evidence-based ways of deciding whether something is good or not.

So much trust in mortals.....nah, I'll pass

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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If economic prosperity results in 2 kids per woman, would evolution not favour genes that make it unlike a family is economically prosperous? Having 6 kids with different baby mamas and being an absent father is evolutionary success

Short term maybe. Long-term absence of fathers leads to increased jail time and other negative outcomes, which could affect long-term success:

https://www.mnpsych.org/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_dailyplanet...

Promiscuity isn't a novel invention, thus it likely isn't beneficial overall if it isn't widespread right now.

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