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Cryptocurrency scams cost owners $7.7B in 2021, driven by DeFi-based “rug pulls”

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Re: Cryptocurrency scams cost owners $7.7B in 2021, driven by DeFi-based “rug pulls”

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I often wonder to what extent scams like this have positive externalities, insofar as the people who get scammed were perhaps unlikely to allocate capital in socially efficient ways.

Yeah, but did you see the dress she was wearing? She wasn't dressed in socially efficient ways, we should look at the positive externalities.

Re: Cryptocurrency scams cost owners $7.7B in 2021, driven by DeFi-based “rug pulls”

#42
post #24

This is my biggest complaint against cryptocurrencies in general. I'm happy with my bank's fraud protection. How can crypto users protect themselves without recreating traditional banking? Bitcoin was released ~13 years ago, and wallet/transaction security has been one of the most important requirements since then (along with scalability, but let's not go there). If trillion dollar market caps and god-knows-how-many…

Just don't play the shitcoin casino.

Re: Cryptocurrency scams cost owners $7.7B in 2021, driven by DeFi-based “rug pulls”

#43
post #24

This is my biggest complaint against cryptocurrencies in general. I'm happy with my bank's fraud protection. How can crypto users protect themselves without recreating traditional banking? Bitcoin was released ~13 years ago, and wallet/transaction security has been one of the most important requirements since then (along with scalability, but let's not go there). If trillion dollar market caps and god-knows-how-many…

I think the way you protect yourself is the same way people protected themselves before credit cards were widely used. By not spending your cash on things that are scams. Somehow people managed to survive before banks offered their rent seeking / fraud protection and I think they'd be OK without them if push came to shove.

There are other ways to protect payments than just (rent seeking) CCs. For eg, in India UPI equates to irreversible zero-cost instant bank transfers (and the irreversible part incentivizes scams) - the KYC/AML regulations make getting your money back a possibility (while not impossible, it's usually improbable, and depends on the amount)

Re: Cryptocurrency scams cost owners $7.7B in 2021, driven by DeFi-based “rug pulls”

#45
post #21

So, the question is, what's the scalability of this like? - is there exponential growth still to go, so that we might expect $70bn lost in 2022? - or is there a finite amount of victims to be scammed, after they've lost all their money the rate of scam will decline? - or is it more likely that there will be some kind of intervention?

It’s not a problem. Once we switch to using sidechains for most of the book keeping we expect to be able to handle 1000x more scams without affecting the main scam.

We’re also looking at theft-of-stake instead of theft-of-work to reduce energy usage, allowing scammers to be much more efficient and green.

To the moon!

Re: Cryptocurrency scams cost owners $7.7B in 2021, driven by DeFi-based “rug pulls”

#46
My project's goal is to increase the safety in the DeFi space (actually just a small subspace for now): We're monitoring token pools for "rug pulls" and giving them a "safety" rating: https://rugpullindex.com

I also wrote a blog post about the safety crisis in smart contract development: https://timdaub.github.io/2021/12/08/illuminating-the-dark-f...

Re: Cryptocurrency scams cost owners $7.7B in 2021, driven by DeFi-based “rug pulls”

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post #32
post #26

"A fool and his money are lucky enough to get together in the first place.” -Gordon Gekko I have zero sympathy for the victims. Stealing from cryptocurrency weenies is almost a public service, like confiscating booze and car keys from teenagers.

Hey, so is stealing from the elderly alzheimer's patients right? They're not going to remember anyway! Dick.

The vast difference is that Alzheimer's patients aren't willingly putting their money in dangerous places with the sole purpose of increasing their purchasing power without contributing to society in a meaningful way.

Re: Cryptocurrency scams cost owners $7.7B in 2021, driven by DeFi-based “rug pulls”

#48
post #24

This is my biggest complaint against cryptocurrencies in general. I'm happy with my bank's fraud protection. How can crypto users protect themselves without recreating traditional banking? Bitcoin was released ~13 years ago, and wallet/transaction security has been one of the most important requirements since then (along with scalability, but let's not go there). If trillion dollar market caps and god-knows-how-many…

I think the way you protect yourself is the same way people protected themselves before credit cards were widely used. By not spending your cash on things that are scams. Somehow people managed to survive before banks offered their rent seeking / fraud protection and I think they'd be OK without them if push came to shove.

"I would simply protect myself by not spending cash on things that are scams"

Re: Cryptocurrency scams cost owners $7.7B in 2021, driven by DeFi-based “rug pulls”

#49
post #13

The DotCom Bubble/scam led to investor losses in excess of $5 trillion.

So it seems like you are saying DotComs were a scam? Which is obviously insane. I believe we are seeing something similar in crypto. Yes to bubble, and yes there are scams, but wow it seems like there are a lot of people here that think the entire thing is a scam. There are a lot of insanely smart people working on this that are obviously not doing scams, maybe you should take a deeper look?

Re: Cryptocurrency scams cost owners $7.7B in 2021, driven by DeFi-based “rug pulls”

#50
post #21

So, the question is, what's the scalability of this like? - is there exponential growth still to go, so that we might expect $70bn lost in 2022? - or is there a finite amount of victims to be scammed, after they've lost all their money the rate of scam will decline? - or is it more likely that there will be some kind of intervention?

There is always a finite amount of victims to be scammed, that is the fallacy of ponzi schemes over genuine investment strategies

Crypto went global while facing zero regulations - that is what let it become the longest running ponzi (?)
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