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Cryptocurrency scams cost owners $7.7B in 2021, driven by DeFi-based “rug pulls”

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Re: Cryptocurrency scams cost owners $7.7B in 2021, driven by DeFi-based “rug pulls”

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So, the question is, what's the scalability of this like?

- is there exponential growth still to go, so that we might expect $70bn lost in 2022?

- or is there a finite amount of victims to be scammed, after they've lost all their money the rate of scam will decline?

- or is it more likely that there will be some kind of intervention?

Re: Cryptocurrency scams cost owners $7.7B in 2021, driven by DeFi-based “rug pulls”

#22

I really hate to say it, but I have little sympathy for the victims here. They wanted a moon shot, wild west, libertarian paradise and got ... robbed with no recourse. Many more than once.

Completely agree. You want the libertarian paradise, then you should accept the risks that come along with it. Personally, I'm fine with having it being the wild west, and I only invest money I can afford to lose.

Re: Cryptocurrency scams cost owners $7.7B in 2021, driven by DeFi-based “rug pulls”

#23
Unless something changes dramatically, DeFi will remain a haven for scams. It tries to mimic an actual economy which has loans to businesses to pay returns (etc), but DeFi actually is a giant circular digital economy which doesn't create real world wealth.

Re: Cryptocurrency scams cost owners $7.7B in 2021, driven by DeFi-based “rug pulls”

#24
This is my biggest complaint against cryptocurrencies in general.

I'm happy with my bank's fraud protection. How can crypto users protect themselves without recreating traditional banking?

Bitcoin was released ~13 years ago, and wallet/transaction security has been one of the most important requirements since then (along with scalability, but let's not go there). If trillion dollar market caps and god-knows-how-many billions of investment couldn't figure out how to protect consumers after 13 years...

Re: Cryptocurrency scams cost owners $7.7B in 2021, driven by DeFi-based “rug pulls”

#25
post #15
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are the scammers now in possession of $7.7B likely to "allocate capital in socially efficient ways"?

Perhaps more likely than the scammed. For example, the scammers may purchase equities.

In an economy where companies prefer to invest in R&D with credit and buy back stock, purchasing equities seems less beneficial than stimulating demand by just buying stuff.

Re: Cryptocurrency scams cost owners $7.7B in 2021, driven by DeFi-based “rug pulls”

#26
"A fool and his money are lucky enough to get together in the first place.”

-Gordon Gekko

I have zero sympathy for the victims. Stealing from cryptocurrency weenies is almost a public service, like confiscating booze and car keys from teenagers.

Re: Cryptocurrency scams cost owners $7.7B in 2021, driven by DeFi-based “rug pulls”

#27

Unless something changes dramatically, DeFi will remain a haven for scams. It tries to mimic an actual economy which has loans to businesses to pay returns (etc), but DeFi actually is a giant circular digital economy which doesn't create real world wealth.

> but DeFi actually is a giant circular digital economy which doesn't create real world wealth.

Isn't this true of the entire cryptocurrency cult though?

Re: Cryptocurrency scams cost owners $7.7B in 2021, driven by DeFi-based “rug pulls”

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post #24

This is my biggest complaint against cryptocurrencies in general. I'm happy with my bank's fraud protection. How can crypto users protect themselves without recreating traditional banking? Bitcoin was released ~13 years ago, and wallet/transaction security has been one of the most important requirements since then (along with scalability, but let's not go there). If trillion dollar market caps and god-knows-how-many…

I think the way you protect yourself is the same way people protected themselves before credit cards were widely used. By not spending your cash on things that are scams. Somehow people managed to survive before banks offered their rent seeking / fraud protection and I think they'd be OK without them if push came to shove.

Re: Cryptocurrency scams cost owners $7.7B in 2021, driven by DeFi-based “rug pulls”

#29
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I often wonder to what extent scams like this have positive externalities, insofar as the people who get scammed were perhaps unlikely to allocate capital in socially efficient ways.

Interesting point. Would you rather have few unscrupulous, enterprising individuals have a significant proportion of wealth, or have this distributed between many people who are mentally challenged (easily conned)...

> people who are mentally challenged (easily conned)...

I think the biggest predictor for being conned is not low IQ but high greed.

Re: Cryptocurrency scams cost owners $7.7B in 2021, driven by DeFi-based “rug pulls”

#30
post #13

The DotCom Bubble/scam led to investor losses in excess of $5 trillion.

I guess that's from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble ?

That's reported as a drop from the peak. But it doesn't necessarily reflect the real losses, in terms of initial investment. It's a number larger than the total amount of "real" M0 money in 2000, for example! Feels more like "an unrealized gain that never materialized" than "loss".

I remember that time, it was just after I graduated. There was a lot of business craziness on a scale that defi is yet to reach, although it's already hit some of my peak markers like "rename a stadium".

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