'We won and we didn't notice' - a conversation with Jeremy Allison of Samba • Hacker News Board

Re: 'We won and we didn't notice' - a conversation with Jeremy Allison of Samba

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Post by e40 » Sat, Sep 03, 2011, 5:12 PM UTC

kenjackson wrote: post #2

For context: "In twenty years everything has become Linux. I have a music system that is entirely Linux-based. I have a video streaming and TV watching system that is entirely Linux-based. I wouldn't be surprised if every flat screen television I have is also Linux-based. The laptop and the desktop my wife uses to do her online banking and email is Linux. My phone is Linux, and my son's tablet PC is Linux..." So his…

Panasonic's TVs have FreeBSD in them because some high-up execs are afraid of the GPL after some other device maker was sued over some GPL violation. Just a bit of trivia.

Re: 'We won and we didn't notice' - a conversation with Jeremy Allison of Samba

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Post by reefab » Sat, Sep 03, 2011, 5:13 PM UTC

"Where once Samba and Apache sold Linux to the world they are now just part of the plumbing."

What I'm taking away from this article is that indeed Linux has became plumbing. Long gone are the glamorous times when Linux and the FOSS movement in general were the underdog and apparently the price for victory is becoming a commodity.

Re: 'We won and we didn't notice' - a conversation with Jeremy Allison of Samba

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Post by cookiecaper » Sat, Sep 03, 2011, 5:14 PM UTC

marvin wrote: post #9

cookiecaper wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe his point is that Linux has deeply pervaded practically everything except end-user PCs, and that we should recognize that this is really a big success even if it's not the holy grail of the "Linux desktop". Not quite like Steve Ballmer saying Windows won because his kid uses a Zune. Linux will be in almost every advanced home appliance and/or consumer electronic you buy, whether you know it or not; Windows…

You're forgetting most of the enterprise software market and a significant portion (15%) of all web servers in the world. Why do we always have to be so adversarial when it comes to choice of software? The Microsoft stack works great in the areas where is is popular, and the .NET library and the related development tools are excellent.

I'm not forgetting those, they just aren't relevant to the discussion. "deeply pervade" != "exclusive option"

Re: 'We won and we didn't notice' - a conversation with Jeremy Allison of Samba

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Post by pyre » Sat, Sep 03, 2011, 6:24 PM UTC

  > ... developer Jeremy Allison met up with Richard   
  > Hillesley. Here, Richard Allison's description of
  > the ...

Richard Allison? Wat?

Re: 'We won and we didn't notice' - a conversation with Jeremy Allison of Samba

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Post by rwmj » Sat, Sep 03, 2011, 6:49 PM UTC

thatjoshguy wrote: post #5

kenjackson wrote: post #2

For context: "In twenty years everything has become Linux. I have a music system that is entirely Linux-based. I have a video streaming and TV watching system that is entirely Linux-based. I wouldn't be surprised if every flat screen television I have is also Linux-based. The laptop and the desktop my wife uses to do her online banking and email is Linux. My phone is Linux, and my son's tablet PC is Linux..." So his…

But I think you would be surprised by the amount of consumer electronic devices that run linux. My Toshiba TV runs linux, and it doesn't have a DVR or anything like that. None of those fancy widgets and internet connectivity. Just a plain up TV running linux.

[It's not that I don't believe you, just curious] .. how do you know it runs Linux?

Re: 'We won and we didn't notice' - a conversation with Jeremy Allison of Samba

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Post by gaius » Sat, Sep 03, 2011, 8:08 PM UTC

kenjackson wrote: post #2

For context: "In twenty years everything has become Linux. I have a music system that is entirely Linux-based. I have a video streaming and TV watching system that is entirely Linux-based. I wouldn't be surprised if every flat screen television I have is also Linux-based. The laptop and the desktop my wife uses to do her online banking and email is Linux. My phone is Linux, and my son's tablet PC is Linux..." So his…

With that said Linux has become the most popular Unix variant by a large margin

Nah, OSX is Unix remember.

Re: 'We won and we didn't notice' - a conversation with Jeremy Allison of Samba

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Post by __david__ » Sat, Sep 03, 2011, 8:16 PM UTC

rwmj wrote: post #15

thatjoshguy wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But I think you would be surprised by the amount of consumer electronic devices that run linux. My Toshiba TV runs linux, and it doesn't have a DVR or anything like that. None of those fancy widgets and internet connectivity. Just a plain up TV running linux.

[It's not that I don't believe you, just curious] .. how do you know it runs Linux?

Well, I can't speak for the parent, but my Panasonic Viera TV had a little note in the on-screen menu about software licenses with a URL (and also the complete text of the GPL). I downloaded it and it included a Linux kernel. I have no idea which part runs Linux (the whole thing, or just the part that reads jpegs off of the SD cards) or if there is any good way to get a shell...

Re: 'We won and we didn't notice' - a conversation with Jeremy Allison of Samba

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Post by __david__ » Sat, Sep 03, 2011, 8:17 PM UTC

e40 wrote: post #11

kenjackson wrote: post #2

For context: "In twenty years everything has become Linux. I have a music system that is entirely Linux-based. I have a video streaming and TV watching system that is entirely Linux-based. I wouldn't be surprised if every flat screen television I have is also Linux-based. The laptop and the desktop my wife uses to do her online banking and email is Linux. My phone is Linux, and my son's tablet PC is Linux..." So his…

Panasonic's TVs have FreeBSD in them because some high-up execs are afraid of the GPL after some other device maker was sued over some GPL violation. Just a bit of trivia.

My Panasonic TV runs Linux and has the GPL available from an on screen menu.

Re: 'We won and we didn't notice' - a conversation with Jeremy Allison of Samba

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Post by mpyne » Sat, Sep 03, 2011, 8:57 PM UTC

gaius wrote: post #16

kenjackson wrote: post #2

For context: "In twenty years everything has become Linux. I have a music system that is entirely Linux-based. I have a video streaming and TV watching system that is entirely Linux-based. I wouldn't be surprised if every flat screen television I have is also Linux-based. The laptop and the desktop my wife uses to do her online banking and email is Linux. My phone is Linux, and my son's tablet PC is Linux..." So his…

With that said Linux has become the most popular Unix variant by a large margin Nah, OSX is Unix remember.

Macs don't outnumber embedded devices though.

Re: 'We won and we didn't notice' - a conversation with Jeremy Allison of Samba

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Post by RK » Sat, Sep 03, 2011, 9:01 PM UTC

gaius wrote: post #16

kenjackson wrote: post #2

For context: "In twenty years everything has become Linux. I have a music system that is entirely Linux-based. I have a video streaming and TV watching system that is entirely Linux-based. I wouldn't be surprised if every flat screen television I have is also Linux-based. The laptop and the desktop my wife uses to do her online banking and email is Linux. My phone is Linux, and my son's tablet PC is Linux..." So his…

With that said Linux has become the most popular Unix variant by a large margin Nah, OSX is Unix remember.

I'd be very surprised if there are more OS X installations than Linux installations (or even close for that matter).

Linux runs more servers, more phones, and more embedded devices (set top boxes, routers, GPS's, etc). OS X is limited to Apple products, which, while popular, are not nearly as pervasive.