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Chess.com vs. Lichess

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Re: Chess.com vs. Lichess

#132
I’ve written extensively on the rampant cheating happening on chess.com:

https://travelhead.medium.com/rampant-cheating-on-chess-com-...

LiChess on the other hand has incredible cheat detection algorithms, and I’ve only reported one cheater in the dozens of games I’ve played since quitting Chess.com and moving to Lichess.

(I’m approximately 2350 on LiChess).

Re: Chess.com vs. Lichess

#133
post #16

A feature I was surprised not to see in the "Cleaner page UI during chess games" section: Lichess has a zen mode that maximally simplifies the UI. It removes the chat, navigation menu, move history notation. You're left with the board, clocks, resign/draw/takeback actions, and move replay. You can activate it by pressing "Z" during a game, and there's a menu option too.

Anyone not playing Zen mode is doing themselves a huge disfavour. It allows you not to care about your opponents score, nor identity, nor messages.

Re: Chess.com vs. Lichess

#134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting perspective. I have subscriptions to both and my first reaction was the exact opposite of yours. Chess.con is so far ahead of lichens that it wasn’t debatable. What in your opinion leads you to believe that lichess is eating chess.com’s lunch. For me games are far easier and quicker to setup with chess.com. The drills are better at chess.com and so are the lessons, both in-depth and breadth. I can’t reall…

> I have subscriptions to both I'm not sure how you have a subscription to Lichess when it's a free site. Do you donate? > My Elo rank on lichess is a full 500 points higher on lichess than chess.com The ratings difference on lichess is arbitrary. Everyone starts higher (1500 vs 1200), so the average is higher. > For me games are far easier and quicker to setup with chess.com Unless I've missed something on chess.com…

> I'm not sure how you have a subscription to Lichess when it's a free site

A subscription can just be an account - it doesn’t necessarily have to be a paid subscription.

Re: Chess.com vs. Lichess

#136
post #88

I think lichess.org is far superior in that it has a super-polished UX in ways that are not immediately obvious. After I made the switch from chess.com in 2014 (I had the paid features), it was always extremely annoying to come back. Also lichess.org gives you most of what chess.com tries to upsell you on, for free. As it happens I've re-validated this over the last few days with dozens of games on chess.com. A singl…

The tournament UI has been broken on iOS for years. It doesn't register taps properly and some UI elements are not shown where they should be. OTOH, the website works pretty well on mobile, scrolling aside.

In general, I also had the feeling that the lichess UI is a bit more immediate, it was easier for me to get around.

But I think a big difference is not in features or UX, but the behaviour of the players. Because of its free nature, lichess has several problems that I haven't seen on chess.com. I do use chess.com significantly less, but I've always had civil interactions there.

On lichess:

* people are free to act like jerks, since they will likely get away with it. My chat's turned off, but I can't do anything about people abandoning games when they lose, trying to pretend that they've left so that I don't pay attention and lose on time, etc.

* severe lack of gentlemanly behaviour. As an example, I don't think I've ever seen someone concede a game, it's almost always a bitter fight way past the point a reasonable player may accept defeat.

* Now that I think about it, lichess brings the worst in me. I want to crush my opponents and taunt them. Yet another reason why my chat's turned off.

Blitz is a vicious game, full of trickery. :)

Re: Chess.com vs. Lichess

#137
post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ever heard about En Passant?

I've been teaching my daughter (7) to play chess, and I never knew this rule. She's going to be very excited to learn this one.

I have been teaching my daughter too. She is younger (she just turned 5), and En passant is one of the rules I voluntarily skipped (together with Castling). Pawns rules are already such a mess without it!

Re: Chess.com vs. Lichess

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post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have subscriptions to both I'm not sure how you have a subscription to Lichess when it's a free site. Do you donate? > My Elo rank on lichess is a full 500 points higher on lichess than chess.com The ratings difference on lichess is arbitrary. Everyone starts higher (1500 vs 1200), so the average is higher. > For me games are far easier and quicker to setup with chess.com Unless I've missed something on chess.com…

> I'm not sure how you have a subscription to Lichess when it's a free site A subscription can just be an account - it doesn’t necessarily have to be a paid subscription.

That's weird, I've only ever used "subscription" as per this definition[0]:

"A subscription is an amount of money that you pay regularly in order to belong to an organization, to help a charity or campaign, or to receive copies of a magazine or newspaper."

[0] https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/subscri...

Re: Chess.com vs. Lichess

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post #136
post #88

I think lichess.org is far superior in that it has a super-polished UX in ways that are not immediately obvious. After I made the switch from chess.com in 2014 (I had the paid features), it was always extremely annoying to come back. Also lichess.org gives you most of what chess.com tries to upsell you on, for free. As it happens I've re-validated this over the last few days with dozens of games on chess.com. A singl…

The tournament UI has been broken on iOS for years. It doesn't register taps properly and some UI elements are not shown where they should be. OTOH, the website works pretty well on mobile, scrolling aside. In general, I also had the feeling that the lichess UI is a bit more immediate, it was easier for me to get around. But I think a big difference is not in features or UX, but the behaviour of the players. Because…

I mean such behaviour is not uncommon on chess.com either. I've reported multiple people for game abandonment / abusive language / acting like jerks / taking super long to make moves in a game that's obviously been lost / etc.

My inbox is on chess is full of such generic boilerplate messages from chess.com; I doubt they really kick anyone off their platform though (unless the player does something extreme):

We've taken action on one of the Stalling / Quitting Games reports that you submitted. (To respect the privacy of our members, we don't specify usernames. Our response may have included warning the member, restricting their activity, or even closing the account.)

You can review our Community Policies here https://www.chess.com/legal/community.

Thank you for helping Chess.com stay fun and friendly!

Thank you very much, Chess.com Support support@chess.com

Re: Chess.com vs. Lichess

#140

I spent a lot of time on chess.com (including paying for membership) but recently switched to lichess, because simply it feels a better, more polished, product. Love the fact it does not have ads ( https://lichess.org/blog/YF-ZORQAACAA89PI/why-lichess-will-a... . ) unlike chess.com which is ad-infested. Lichess is very customizable. Love the everyday tournaments and the community there as well. Would pay for it. The…

Funny you mention annoying WebKit / Safari bugs. This bit me recently: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217897
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