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Re: Reddit files to go public

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Post by teaearlgraycold » Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 5:44 AM UTC

qbasic_forever wrote: post #227

mightyquacks wrote: post #210

Reddit used to be amazing Now it's like a red flag in your resume if you worked for reddit Then they made a whole mess on the homepage. This is what happens when you hire mediocre engineers. Its like junior engineers who cant write code. Reddit mobile is not bad, but stop trying to make me install it. There are people who only wants to use web. But your web engineers are garbage their ads is incredibly bad. there are…

It sounds like you're mad at explicit decisions made by product owners, like the content on the frontpage or dark patterns that push mobile app usage. I guarantee none of the rank and file engineers are responsible for those decisions, and they almost certainly detest them just as much as you. The problem is if they don't implement them then they don't get a paycheck and can't put food on the table. It's silly to pai…

They’re all Bay Area engineers. So switching jobs is an inconvenience with a raise on the other side. The changes aren’t their ideas but it’s not like they can’t refuse. They can just work anywhere else. They probably don’t care.

Re: Reddit files to go public

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Post by GhettoComputers » Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 5:44 AM UTC

briga wrote: post #236

henning wrote: post #200

The Reddit of 2006 where tutorials on generating HTML in Lisp rocket to the top of the homepage is long gone. I can't imagine investing in an ad company that is fueled by clickbait and outrage the way Reddit is. Plus, some percentage of the userbase will always run aggressive ad blockers and be impossible to effectvely monetize. However, my brain works very differently from other people's, so I could be wrong.

> some percentage of the userbase will always run aggressive ad blockers and be impossible to effectvely monetize Can’t block ads when they’re disguised as user content. Viral marketers have had a heyday hawking their products on Reddit

My app does it for me. :) But yes old.reddit.com/r/hailcorporate posts can’t be blocked.

Re: Reddit files to go public

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Post by hetspookjee » Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 5:44 AM UTC

qbasic_forever wrote: post #227

mightyquacks wrote: post #210

Reddit used to be amazing Now it's like a red flag in your resume if you worked for reddit Then they made a whole mess on the homepage. This is what happens when you hire mediocre engineers. Its like junior engineers who cant write code. Reddit mobile is not bad, but stop trying to make me install it. There are people who only wants to use web. But your web engineers are garbage their ads is incredibly bad. there are…

It sounds like you're mad at explicit decisions made by product owners, like the content on the frontpage or dark patterns that push mobile app usage. I guarantee none of the rank and file engineers are responsible for those decisions, and they almost certainly detest them just as much as you. The problem is if they don't implement them then they don't get a paycheck and can't put food on the table. It's silly to pai…

Your last argument can be applied to about anything regarding performing unethical tasks to stay afloat. I don’t find it convincing for engineers that work for Reddit. They can start work at any other tech company, too, so by absolving all the blame is a bit much, in the end they choose to implement it right?

Re: Reddit files to go public

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Post by joconde » Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 5:45 AM UTC

systemvoltage wrote: post #183

flanbiscuit wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been here 8+ years and I don't feel like it has changed much. It probably has in some way that hasn't been very noticeable to me. Just my personal observations.

These things are subjective but I find old HN substantially and irrefutably different (and better) for the reasons I said earlier. It is so obvious to me. I wonder why so many people disagree. Something wrong with me? I feel pretty strong about this. Usually, if I’m not convinced, I wouldn’t put it in such strong terms.

Yeah, I’ve been here a few months only and there is a very different attitude than on better-known websites like Reddit. HN is the only forum I’ve seen where anyone who argues in obviously bad faith will get downvoted to invisibility, and most well-made arguments get upvoted, no matter which side they’re on.

A few years ago, trying to have the same conversations on reddit, everything degraded into personal attacks eventually.

Re: Reddit files to go public

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Post by GhettoComputers » Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 5:45 AM UTC

IgorPartola wrote: post #249

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally think the fix is to let it be separate communities; kill/deemphasize the "all" feed, emphasize separate subreddits, and make it easy for users to curate what they see. The problem, of course, it that this runs counter to maximizing engagement .

I am a member of 4 closely related subreddits themed around 3D printing. Would those get split up? Would I need separate accounts for each? There are some subreddits that I found because they were cross referenced. I consider that to be a core feature.

They can still be crossed, I can link HN there or 4chan if I wanted.

Re: Reddit files to go public

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Post by ggm » Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 5:45 AM UTC

500 million users, 100,000 communities. Since I don't pay to use it, presumably the value proposition lies in the small cohort who do pay for ephemeral karma and style additions, value added services, and of course the advertising BI which fuels the internet at large.

Since I am not paying, and I am not bidding for shares, I must be the product. This is merely a statement of my value (1/500,000,000th) to them as a BI source.

on $6nm value: $1200 per user, $60,000 per community. Thats not annual, presuambly at a sane ROI its some sub-multiple of that as extracted/notional value, but I lack the fu to say what that is.

I have to say, I don't feel worth $1200 in reddit views. Gosh, I wonder if selling my read impressions is a breach of GDRP and/or CCPA

Re: Reddit files to go public

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Post by GhettoComputers » Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 5:45 AM UTC

DantesKite wrote: post #250

The larger subreddits have problems, but Reddit has done a remarkable job of collecting people with niche interests into one area. I wouldn't discount their success and future success (as much as I'd like to). What's odd is they haven't stopped growing. It's just been linear user growth. They could literally do nothing and the site would still grow. It's closer to Wikipedia than a social network in some respects. And…

Small ones have problems too (like raids and low amount of mods). They don’t stop growing because they ate all the small forums.

Re: Reddit files to go public

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Post by anyfactor » Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 5:47 AM UTC

henning wrote: post #200

The Reddit of 2006 where tutorials on generating HTML in Lisp rocket to the top of the homepage is long gone. I can't imagine investing in an ad company that is fueled by clickbait and outrage the way Reddit is. Plus, some percentage of the userbase will always run aggressive ad blockers and be impossible to effectvely monetize. However, my brain works very differently from other people's, so I could be wrong.

My personal last strands of hope for Reddit are - their API which is still available to public without hoops to jump through. The downvote button. And the usabillity of old.reddit. Some communities that are still well moderated and strikes a good balance between open to questions and not open to stupid questions.

Beyond that I stopped using mainstream reddit as a value source.

Re: Reddit files to go public

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Post by GhettoComputers » Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 5:47 AM UTC

eljimmy wrote: post #160

I can’t help but think this is the end for that site. It started off with a very old school minimalist designed forum vibe and has been devolving into dark patterns and advertisements as of late. I guess good things can’t stay free forever and the bills need to be paid somehow. Wish they went to a donation model like Wikipedia instead.

There is, Reddit gold. Not that I’d give them any money for the decisions they made, I don’t reward bad behavior and I paid with my data.

Re: Reddit files to go public

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 5:47 AM UTC

henning wrote: post #200

The Reddit of 2006 where tutorials on generating HTML in Lisp rocket to the top of the homepage is long gone. I can't imagine investing in an ad company that is fueled by clickbait and outrage the way Reddit is. Plus, some percentage of the userbase will always run aggressive ad blockers and be impossible to effectvely monetize. However, my brain works very differently from other people's, so I could be wrong.

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