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Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

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Re: Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

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Post by NationalPark »

bborud wrote: post #37

This is the main reason why I am not interested in being an app developer. Your business is in the hands of someone who can cut you off and get away with not even giving you the time of day. Not worth the risk. (That being said: I'm not sure I would have approved an app like yours since it is designed to invade privacy)

Isn't that all electronic businesses? I don't think anyone except maybe netflix actually controls their entire networking infrastructure. CDNs and cloud computing businesses make arbitrary decisions all the time. Payment processors, publishers..

Re: Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

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Post by evancoop »

It seems like this discussion should be raised up a level. We can debate the merits of the app itself, but then that leads to opposing, valid arguments. The app's creator can assert the numerous beneficial uses of the app. Detractors can note the potential for misuse/abuse. Neither is necessarily a winning argument in an objective sense. And thus, we need some arbiter. In this case, that arbiter is Apple, who in this case, must anger some subset of the people on this thread.

So really, the debate is "who is a valid arbiter?" On what basis should the authority to deny access to a platform/market be granted or revoked? It seems that discussion is, to date, wholly inadequate.

Re: Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

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Post by nerdjon »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #129
nerdjon wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again you are saying something very different here than any of your marketing. If you want to make the choice to stop watching porn, that is fine. If you want to use software like this and you want to ask your spouse to help, that is fine. But your marketing, your google play listing that I quoted it is not you making the choice. It is someone else "protecting" you and making the choice. Quoting an exact quote from y…

What if it said: "Truple holds YOU accountable in a way that's near impossible to bypass by capturing and sharing screenshots."

Then at least what the OP is saying here and what the marketing said would align.

But at this time, there is one story of what this app does here (hacker news) and a completely different story from what is being told on the website and marketing.

The other apps that they are saying had no issues with approval, follow the story that is being told here.

I don't think it changes the problematic nature of the app. But they are claiming to be the same as the other app but there is a dramatic difference in how the capabilities of the app is communicated to Apple and users.

Re: Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

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Post by [deleted] »

nerdjon wrote: post #56
camhart wrote: post #46

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Whether the device your child uses is yours, or theirs, that's up to you as the parent to decide. > I certainly wouldn't have tolerated that sort of behavior from my parents when I was a kid myself. Kids will be kids. I would have been the same way. I learned to pick a lock on the computer desk as a kid in order to play computer games after I was supposed to be in bed. The issues is the negative impact of tech is onl…

Phones are also how children are able to find out about things in a safe space. I am thankful every day that I grew up very technical and I was able to hide being gay from my parents but find the resources I needed online. If a phone is my only resource, this removes every ability for a child to find resources if they are curious about their sexuality. Or worse, if their parents are abusive this removes the ability c…

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Re: Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

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Post by nightfly »

Pigalowda wrote: post #130
nightfly wrote: post #126

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> You're not a victim here If the app was just rejected I'd agree. Freezing the account, and then _years_ later suggesting the user create a new account makes no sense.

I think it makes sense if the goal is to never approve such an app. A rejection and subsequent tinkering might allow a derivative to make it through. Perhaps they believe in leaving such projects in purgatory and the developer unable to troubleshoot.

That's not a fair strategy. Say if this developer has published several reasonable apps before this, that strategy would forever cut them off from updating those as well.

Re: Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

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Post by camhart »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #129
nerdjon wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again you are saying something very different here than any of your marketing. If you want to make the choice to stop watching porn, that is fine. If you want to use software like this and you want to ask your spouse to help, that is fine. But your marketing, your google play listing that I quoted it is not you making the choice. It is someone else "protecting" you and making the choice. Quoting an exact quote from y…

What if it said: "Truple holds YOU accountable in a way that's near impossible to bypass by capturing and sharing screenshots."

It used to say you. I adjusted the Google Play description due to changes in Google Plays Developer Agreement.

See https://web.archive.org/web/20200216145020/https://play.goog...

Re: Ask HN: Apple revoked developer account for 2.5 years and counting

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Post by jtbayly »

camhart wrote: post #121
tptacek wrote: post #113

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You're asking me? Ok: it should not be possible for you to install surreptitious screen recording software on an iPhone. The problem isn't that this app got blocked; it's that all the other ones (except maybe that one app that only records screenshots when you use their browser ) aren't banned. But this is totally besides the point. We're not discussing what Apple's rules ought to be. We're trying to help figure out…

> it should not be possible for you to install surreptitious screen recording software on an iPhone. I agree with this 100%. It should not be possible on any platform. Key word there being surreptitious. To clarify, your comments are about iOS apps. Look at their MacOS apps, and it's a different story. The capture the entire devices screen, not just the web browser. And several competitors do it.

FTA: “I've made sure since day one that a "reasonably suspicious" notification is present when the app is monitoring.”

So are you still sure I should never be allowed to run this code on my phone?

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