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Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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Next stop for Fuschia?

Surprised to see this is the only comment (yet) mentioning Fuschia.

While I'm not hopeful for it being a community OS, I'm nonetheless interested in seeing the direction it moves in putting pressure on libre operating systems.

Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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Similar to other commenters, I came here in anger. Google has fucked it’s users, it’s developers, and the broader ecosystem with its handling of AR. Google’s engineers should be embarrassed, and the executive teams who suddenly are pretending to ‘get it’ should be embarrassed.

ARKit (iOS) works. It works well. They’ve built the groundwork by pushing out LiDAR. They’ve continued to advance the SDK. Key capabilities, like map-based geolocation are SDK-level features, rather than being reserved as Google Maps exclusives. They’ve made sure their phones and tablets have high quality cameras, compasses, and GNSS receivers, so the experience works better. They’ve made sure their devices have the horsepower to run AR experiences at 60fps, even with overhead from recording and streaming and multitasking. Edit: how did I forget about spatial audio? Spatial audio is a key capability of the iOS ecosystem (AirPods) that Google probably doesn’t have the imagination or coordination to execute on.

Google. Google has:

- made a list of the devices supporting ARCore, because they can’t manage their device ecosystem

- kills key APIs and SDKs (SceneForm) after heavily promoting them. Doesn’t update its doc and deprecates API with not guidance on replacements. “Just copy and paste hundreds of lines of OpenGL code from the samples” they say. ffs

- they still continue to push out devices that can’t keep up. Is it Qualcomm‘a fault? Maybe. Somehow Apple doesn’t have that problem. Mysterious. Maybe a large near-monopolist like Google could get their shit together and use their market dominance for good. But no, Android users get shitty overheating phones that can barely run AR at 30fps, if the apps run at all because all the underlying tech is no longer maintained.

- they keep key innovations to themselves. They beat Apple to AR navigation, but fuck developers who want that.

Oh, and btw, for people who want to do cross-platform work, Google massively fucking up AR has held everyone back. iOS is ready for top-notch AR years ago, but it’s a tough pill for people to swallow when you have to drop support for all android. Google is holding the industry back.

I hope Google gets fucked as bad as they’ve been fucking their users and developer partners.

Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google seems unfocused - AR is an example of this, their messaging platforms and failure to leverage Google voice for 10yrs after the acquisition are too. I’d bet on Apple, FB, or some new entry (harder without the underlying OS). DeepMind is the most interesting thing coming out of Google imo.

> their messaging platforms and failure to leverage Google voice for 10yrs after the acquisition are too The Hangouts > Chat transition is exactly this. Objectively, they've made it worse and more buggy on their own Android platform. Ever since the transition I talk to friends less on Google services. Many of us jumped to Discord Don't even get me going on the Gmail rollout... Google was once an innovator (search, Gm…

> Google was once an innovator (search, Gmail, Docs)

Docs was from an acquisition.

Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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Google had the head start here with Glass, and then in classic Google fashion they let it die. I'm always baffled how bad is Google at playing long term games. Their biggest mistake with Glass was trying to productize it too fast and stopping when they saw it didn't have good consumer fit. They could have instead go more incremental by releasing developer hardware and learning from that. They could have kept that pro…

Even Google Wave could be another example of this. They killed it almost instantly? This was before Slack, discord, etc.

It couldn't even scale up to 200 messages, because it was all so incredibly unoptimized. It's like one guy worked on it, then it was immediately abandoned.

Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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Whenever I transpose my comments to HN, I usually do some light editing. The following comment is unedited because this headline kinda fired me up. Considering how Google’s treated AR and VR in the last 10 years, hyping people up then quietly pulling back support and finally cancellation after just 2-3 years, I don’t see this going well. They had a toehold 6-10 years ago which they could have easily kept iterating on…

> Considering how Google’s treated AR and VR in the last 10 years

You mean how they've treated a large proportion of their customer-facing products?

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