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Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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Dumb question: Why does Alexa need to connect to the internet to turn lights on/off or run timers. What happens when it cannot connect to the Amazon mothership.

It does all voice recognition in the cloud, only the trigger word detection runs locally.

This reminds me of my friend who had his whole house wired with Google. I've watched him ask Google to turn lights on while standing next to a light switch. I've seen him repeat himself 3 times when all he had to do was lift his arm. Seeing that happen a few times (along with privacy concerns) convinced me to never bother with any home assistants.

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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I’m also very interested in an answer. We use Alexa a lot, but this week I had to unplug every Alexa in the house because a distant family member had gained access to the family Amazon account and was trying to use the “drop in” feature to listen to our conversations. In the course of our investigation I found out that Alexa does not log privacy related events at all (there is no record of a drop in stored anywhere),…

That deserves its own post. This reminds me of when Samsung sent the press release that people shouldn’t discuss personal things near their television, because an unpatchable product of their allowed anyone who knew how to tap into the tv mics…

I have always assumed my Samsung TV didn't have a mic. How can I check if it does? I don't really want any mic-using devices that I can't control, although I suppose that ship already sailed when smartphones were introduced.

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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It's unfortunate that another comment that links to Rhasspy has been downvoted (I assume because it lacked any other context) so I wanted to mention the project with some additional context: https://rhasspy.readthedocs.io/ While I've not used the entire Rhasspy project myself (but trying it out is on the long list of things to do :) ) I have used the offline Text-To-Speech sub-project Larynx... ...and it is amazing !…

The Rhasspy video overview is pretty great too, I'm impressed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsAlz76PXJQ

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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It's unfortunate that another comment that links to Rhasspy has been downvoted (I assume because it lacked any other context) so I wanted to mention the project with some additional context: https://rhasspy.readthedocs.io/ While I've not used the entire Rhasspy project myself (but trying it out is on the long list of things to do :) ) I have used the offline Text-To-Speech sub-project Larynx... ...and it is amazing !…

Software has been mostly solved for a while. My issue is hardware. The way I read, is that to get proper voice recognition in many circumstances, you need a microphone array (for every DIY Alexa and Dot). Now you have a PI, the array installed on it and… it just stands around looking ugly and accumulating dust? You want a case, but then from my research, cases can easily interfere with those arrays. So you need one t…

How about putting a string of microphones around the room, say at the top walls? You can get I2S microphones (here's a breakout for one [1]), so you'd just need a bundle of 6 wires running around the room.

That breakout is $6.95 with price breaks to $6.26 at 10 and $5.56 at 100 which is probably a bit pricey for this application, but really you only need the breakout to make it easy to play around with it on a breadboard. The other parts on the breakout besides the microphone module itself are just a couple of resistors. The module itself looks like it would be reasonable to solder wires directly onto, so you should be able to build a microphone string with just the microphone modules, the wire, and a couple of axial resistors at each microphone.

Here's that particular microphone module at Mouser [2]. $2.64 for one, price breaks to $2.19 at 10, $2.02 at 25, $1.90 at 50, and $1.78 at 100.

There are other I2S and I2C and SPI microphones. The SPH0645 just happened to be the first one I found to use as an example.

I'm not sure though if any of these interfaces have enough bandwidth to support enough microphones simultaneously for this to work. You might need multiple parallel strings, or maybe a hierarchical system, like having some ESP32 modules on the walls too, with each ESP32 handling a smaller string of microphones, and the EPS32s reporting what they hear along with timing data wirelessly to whatever is doing the processing.

[1] https://www.adafruit.com/product/3421

[2] https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Knowles/SPH0645LM4H-B?q...

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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post #17

I’m also very interested in an answer. We use Alexa a lot, but this week I had to unplug every Alexa in the house because a distant family member had gained access to the family Amazon account and was trying to use the “drop in” feature to listen to our conversations. In the course of our investigation I found out that Alexa does not log privacy related events at all (there is no record of a drop in stored anywhere),…

I had no idea this was even a "feature" of Alexa. Super glad I never got one.

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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I've toyed around with mycroft + raspberry + respeaker array. Works well enough that I could get it to figure out wolfram style questions fairly well.

Most things seem to assume a raspberry as the base hardware which somewhat implies cloud usage.

There is also hive mind which seems to get around the above issue (basically mycroft except with a more satellite mentality to mic placement)

Also been wondering whether it is possible to just use the cloud TTS since their voices are quite good. That should fall under GCP/AWS etc terms which seems a little more privacy friendly than straight alexa & friends.

Planning on having another go at this, but first tackling presence detection which is a minefield of note too

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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Maybe this is an obvious answer, and therefore not one you're interested in, but there's Siri. Although audio is sent to the cloud, you can choose whether it is stored or not, and whatever you pick, Apple's privacy policy is very strict. HomePods are mostly advertised as music playback devices, but I mostly use mine as a HomeKit control device. Homebridge allows you to control non-HomeKit devices via Siri: https://ho…

Would it work to turn off the microphones on your HomePods, turn off listening for "Hey Siri" on your phone, iPad, and Macs, and set your Apple watch to the "raise to speak" setting, and then do all your voice control through the watch?

If that works, that might be a solution for people who want the convenience of voice control but do not want an always-listening microphone in their house.

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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Honestly, I find it amazing that so many people let these things into their homes. The price you pay for such little actual utility isn't worth it. I won't use voice recognition on a single device. Not only do I not trust Google/Amazon, I don't trust that I wouldn't accidentally say something that triggers it to phone a person I'm talking about, or order something expensive in the internet. Home Assistant on my phone…

Does anyone's employer have rules about having company meetings (at home) with such devices nearby? Seems potentially risky.

Yes. Had them since WHF first started. We have different rules depending on the level of the meeting though.

40-50% of the meetings are low risk and they don't require removal or power off and these devices though.

For medium risk or higher we run random tests during meetings to see if they have google and alexa around. Nothing fancy or anyting. We just have they devices play a song like "Never Gonna Give You Up".

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