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Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Right, but the underlying tech was in development for a decade or more. I can deploy an app to Azure, tell it to allocate a server farm, databases, Redis, queues, etc... in 5 minutes too. But that's only because someone took years to do all the necessary work.

why would you deploy an app to azure?

Probably because you paid them to let you.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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> Before 2020, no mRNA technology platform (drug or vaccine) had been authorized for use in humans, so there was a risk of unknown effects.[79] The 2020 COVID-19 pandemic required faster production capability of mRNA vaccines, made them attractive to national health organisations, and led to debate about the type of initial authorization mRNA vaccines should get (including emergency use authorization or expanded acce…

No vaccine would have been authorized on billions of people before 2020 if it had such prevalent incidence of peri- and myocarditis! But now it's authorized even of toddlers, which have even higher chance for future heart issues! And all this, because politicians didn't have the balls to keep the face mask mandates!

Birth control kills more women annually then any covid vaccine. If you engaged in non-procreative sex in the past year you've done something which has a greater risk for human life and health.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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No vaccine would have been authorized on billions of people before 2020 if it had such prevalent incidence of peri- and myocarditis! But now it's authorized even of toddlers, which have even higher chance for future heart issues! And all this, because politicians didn't have the balls to keep the face mask mandates!

Birth control kills more women annually then any covid vaccine. If you engaged in non-procreative sex in the past year you've done something which has a greater risk for human life and health.

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Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Yay, more injections of experimental vaccines!

What level of testing would make these vaccines non experimental in your mind, and what other vaccine do you know that has had that level of rigour applied? I'm genuinely curious

Not the OP, but for me, I'm led to believe that vaccine trials usually go for 7 years, so there's that hesitancy that yes, the sample size is huge, but the normal time hasn't elapsed. Also don't forget that at the beginning of the rollout, the rigour was much less. Thankfully so far so good (depending on who you talk to), but time makes things clearer, and down the road things will be even more clear. Combined with:

* the perceived scaremongering and desperation of some governments and media;

* Being a cancer survivor and not having clear, trustworthy research on effects on this subgroup (they're using genetic instructions to hijack our own cells and produce a foreign protein? That sounds really clever but it also reminds me of cancer)...

alarm bells were ringing, right or wrong. I'd welcome any information that helps with my concerns. It's a genuine wrestle.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Did they also adjust for previous infection?

Yes > For individuals who have had COVID-19 previously, the risk of reinfection with Omicron is significantly higher , relative to prior variants.

It also says the specifically did not adjust for previous infection when calculating severity.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Imo part of the joy of hn is that this isn't actually true. Obviously not everyone knows what they are talking about, but some of the people who really do have serious knowledge on any given topic are on hn, and the average person here is at least slightly less likely to think they have knowledge when in fact they don't.

Yeah I remember in June of 2020 discussing the new aerosol data on HN and cringing about the 6 ft recommendation with cloth masks indoors. Finally a year+ later the WHO admitted as such (aerosol risk can be >50 ft for hours after a spread event), so sometimes we are ahead :)

> "aerosol risk can be >50 ft for hours after a spread event"

no, that's cringeworthy fearmongering. the virus is fragile and falls apart relatively quickly outside the body. the main risk behavior is having long conversations in close quarters where you're constantly exposed to a warm airstream of live virus.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Testing and clinical trials!

It would have been much faster if regulators and ethicists hadn’t been so squeamish about challenge trials. In order to save dozens of lives that might have been lost in challenge trials, we sacrificed hundreds of thousands of lives so that we could wait for more ethically-sound vaccine trials to complete.

Throwing ethical standards in the bin "for the greater good" is never a good idea.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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How do we treat Covid before hospitalisation? I just caught it at the weekend and feeling pretty crappy. I'm not aware of any particular treatment I should be taking.

This is another problem of the modal Western approach. Few people have any knowledge of mitigating strategies or medications because we've moved so aggressively to eradicate discussion of those things.

Shutting down qanon snake oil like hydroxy-c and ivermectin was sensible and necessary. Also injecting clorox was a bad idea as well. I didn't see any successful "non mainstream" treatments come out there were worth a lick. Certainly acupuncture isn't going to work either.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

#909

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Right, but the underlying tech was in development for a decade or more. I can deploy an app to Azure, tell it to allocate a server farm, databases, Redis, queues, etc... in 5 minutes too. But that's only because someone took years to do all the necessary work.

why would you deploy an app to azure?

Leverage

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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> Ethical problems and risk of mutations Hopefully there's no direct work on them for exactly those reasons.

Certain restrictions and de facto vaccine mandates are also arguably ethically challenging. So... we're already there.

There's a big ethical difference between those restrictions and releasing an engineered contagious pathogen into the air.

It's not really about the "airborne vaccine" itself, its about the fact that the engineering that goes into designing something like that can be used to deliberately kill a lot of people.

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