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Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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> The best case scenario is a new less deadly highly contagious strain that become the most dominant and spreads worldwide. No, this scenario wouldn't be good news at all. Firstly, a marginally lower case fatality rate is a linear improvement, whereas much higher transmissibility is an exponential worsening. In other words, the reduced risk of an infected person getting into hospital is dwarfed by the exponential inc…

Natural immunity is the ONLY way back to a sane planet. It's time you take a step back, look at what happened for two years now, and realize we don't need this insanity anymore.

> Natural immunity

Gaining herd natural immunity implies a lot more death. Also natural immunity wanes after a while, and variants can work around it.

So no, it's not the only way, nor is it even a certain way at all.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Why would I want a delivery person to wear a mask all day? And I prefer to check out my own groceries. A mask for cooking is probably a good idea in general.

> Why would I want a delivery person to wear a mask all day? If you support these mask mandates you support fully vaccinated employees wearing masks 8 hours a day 40 hours a week. All nothing more than security theater to make the most fearful feel “safe” and provide an easy way for lazy government to look like they are “taking this serious”

Then I must not support 'these' mandates.

I support ones that make a meaningful impact on spread though.

And where I live there haven't been any mandates for vaccinated people anyway.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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According to reports, the original BioNTech vaccine was developed in a matter of hours: https://www.businessinsider.com/pfizer-biontech-vaccine-desi... Moderna's was done in two days.

Right, but the underlying tech was in development for a decade or more. I can deploy an app to Azure, tell it to allocate a server farm, databases, Redis, queues, etc... in 5 minutes too. But that's only because someone took years to do all the necessary work.

Sure but the delta amount of time is tiny compared to the 10 years to development so OP is correct as he never asserted that they were starting from scratch

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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'You know what actually decimates the working class?' Is that theory or do you work a blue collar job? I was in a work truck as 'critical infrastructure' and lived it. The company owners got richer AT HOME while we kept working. And then some layoffs after the pandemic forgivable loan calendar window expired. I caught the 'rona earlier this year. I have a Dr. letter saying so. Now white collar woke-from-home wants me…

> No. I no longer consent. Go fix your own machines Many of my blue collar friends feel the same way. Getting bossed around by chicken shit triple vaccinated white collar workers too afraid to go into the office. They expect all expendable service class workers to do their bidding while they all “take this serious” huddled up in their fancy homes.

Well I'd probably be in the work from home group and I don't want any bidding, I just want people to stop spreading so much virus around.

And if we are talking about what I want, I want "expendable service class workers" to be paid twice as much anyway. If that's not enough to make up for a mask requirement, then I'm sure there's some alternative we can figure out.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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I would imagine that a virus would eventually adapt/evolve to a point to where it co-exists harmoniously with the host organism. I've heard somewhere that herpes simplex virus used to have terrible symptoms, like genital blisters, but over the years the most common variant has no symptoms, and most people have no idea they have it.... and a huge proportion of human have it. I would imagine all viral contagions would…

There's no guarantee that it will work that way: smallpox didn't get less deadly. Only vaccination wiped it out. If the patient is contagious before developing symptoms, the virus can spread very effectively even if many patients die.

Smallpox also isn't nearly as prone to mutation as covid either.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Has there ever been serious research on the safety of "contagious vaccines"? I'm thinking of strains of problematic infectious diseases engineered to be super mild in terms of symptons, and relatively contagious.

Ethical problems and risk of mutations make this a non-starter I guess, but I'm genuinely curious.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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That was an incredibly verbose explanation for something very simple.

It's a simple concept that about 95-99% of the general population does not understand at any level. This includes most politicians, civil planners, even scientists and medical staff. When the pandemic first started, people were flabberghasted about how FAST! the numbers were going up. Faster and faster, new records broken every day! Meanwhile, on a logarithmic plot, it was a dead straight line. It wasn't changing, no…

Are you surprised? People don’t understand compounding investment returns either.

4 megabits! That would be considered fast 25 years ago.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Has there ever been serious research on the safety of "contagious vaccines"? I'm thinking of strains of problematic infectious diseases engineered to be super mild in terms of symptons, and relatively contagious. Ethical problems and risk of mutations make this a non-starter I guess, but I'm genuinely curious.

> Ethical problems and risk of mutations

Hopefully there's no direct work on them for exactly those reasons.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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> Why would I want a delivery person to wear a mask all day? If you support these mask mandates you support fully vaccinated employees wearing masks 8 hours a day 40 hours a week. All nothing more than security theater to make the most fearful feel “safe” and provide an easy way for lazy government to look like they are “taking this serious”

Then I must not support 'these' mandates. I support ones that make a meaningful impact on spread though. And where I live there haven't been any mandates for vaccinated people anyway.

Who cares about “spread” when we have vaccines that anybody can get? That goal was over the first day all the old at risk folks got their shots.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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The thing is, vaccines were never advertised as tools to prevent infection. The story has always been that it reduces symptoms and hospitalization, so there are plenty of opportunities for the disease to get “tickets” in the evolution lottery. Between that, the animal reservoirs (COVID can spread to different species), and the millions of people in undeveloped countries who will never get a vax, COVID was guaranteed…

> The thing is, vaccines were never advertised as tools to prevent infection. In the USA? Yes, they were. There was no mention of a future need for boosters. There was a simple promise of safety, and for things to return to normal.

We got to return to normal for about 2 months (June and July!) Maybe next year we’ll get 3 months, but I wouldn’t count on it.
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