What good are “studies” when a majority of government seems to be ruling by the seat of their pants?
Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study
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Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study
#612Earlier quoted context omitted.
The vaccine was initially sold as the tool to end the pandemic and get life back to 'normal'. The narrative has evolved to suit the deficiencies of the vaccine and keep profits from sinking.
They could have ended the wildtype pandemic. As soon as delta appeared it was impossible. They have 90% efficiency at best and you need 84% of all people protected to stop delta (1-1/R0 for R0=6). It's impossible to get such high vax rate.
Not necessarily. Eg the Netherlands has ~77% vaccination rate, which is pretty close to the quoted 84%.
Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study
#613Earlier quoted context omitted.
The thing is, vaccines were never advertised as tools to prevent infection. The story has always been that it reduces symptoms and hospitalization, so there are plenty of opportunities for the disease to get “tickets” in the evolution lottery. Between that, the animal reservoirs (COVID can spread to different species), and the millions of people in undeveloped countries who will never get a vax, COVID was guaranteed…
The vaccine was initially sold as the tool to end the pandemic and get life back to 'normal'. The narrative has evolved to suit the deficiencies of the vaccine and keep profits from sinking.
Any links to any marketing material "selling" the vaccine as the tool to end the pandemic?
Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study
#614Earlier quoted context omitted.
The vaccine was initially sold as the tool to end the pandemic and get life back to 'normal'. The narrative has evolved to suit the deficiencies of the vaccine and keep profits from sinking.
They could have ended the wildtype pandemic. As soon as delta appeared it was impossible. They have 90% efficiency at best and you need 84% of all people protected to stop delta (1-1/R0 for R0=6). It's impossible to get such high vax rate.
We’re at 80% vaccination in Spain… I think we can surpass 84%.
Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study
#615Earlier quoted context omitted.
>marginally lower case fatality rate The op didn't state marginally could you please share where you are getting this from? The first publicly confirmed death globally from Omicron was reported just yesterday (source: https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britain-says-omicron-spread... Given that the South African study discussed in this Washington Post article included 78k people, none of whom died if the above Reuters a…
It's growing exponentially and deaths are a lagging indicator. The true denominator is far from 78k people.
Pretty much every estimate of exponential growth has turned out to be logarithmic. Which makes sense. That’s how % of new nodes reached in a random walk through a graph works.
Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study
#616Earlier quoted context omitted.
Parent said he has natural immunity, can you cite any evidence that you can get covid twice? If not then people who can prove natural immunity don't need the vaccine and are just risking their health for nothing.
If you want sources I will find them, but there are studied and not simply anecdotal instances of multiple infections of covid, yes. The outcomes range somewhat across the board from subsequent risks of severe infection or death, in a way that resembles vaccination.
It seems it is rare : https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/reinfe... .
Also found a recent CDC study on this : https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm... .
However, from said study : "First, reinfection was not confirmed through whole genome sequencing, which would be necessary to definitively prove that the reinfection was caused from a distinct virus relative to the first infection. Although in some cases the repeat positive test could be indicative of prolonged viral shedding or failure to clear the initial viral infection (9), given the time between initial and subsequent positive molecular tests among participants in this study, reinfection is the most likely explanation"
Do with this as you will, but it seems there's nothing concrete. "most likely explanation" isn't good enough to force people to get an emergency use, rushed vaccine.
Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study
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There's likely millions of virus variants out there already. Some will evolve to become much more contagious and most won't do much of anything. When a more severe variant starts dominating and everyone goes inside and stops spreading it that makes the more severe variant die out. As it dies out, and people go outside, variants that are milder will thrive because people won't lockdown as easily. This can repeat forev…
Except "Everybody goes inside and stops spreading" is not something that is unique to a variant of concern. When everybody goes inside, all the variants stop spreading. The pressure is the same on every variants, so there's no source of evolutionary advantages on any variants.
> no source of evolutionary advantages on any variants.
Any variant that is able to co-exist with (rather than kill) its host during a full lockdown has a significant advantage. We co-exist with several coronaviruses already.
Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study
#618Earlier quoted context omitted.
The vaccine was initially sold as the tool to end the pandemic and get life back to 'normal'. The narrative has evolved to suit the deficiencies of the vaccine and keep profits from sinking.
They could have ended the wildtype pandemic. As soon as delta appeared it was impossible. They have 90% efficiency at best and you need 84% of all people protected to stop delta (1-1/R0 for R0=6). It's impossible to get such high vax rate.
It was kinda-possible to return to normality with delta though. The entire EU is above 70% of the total population, with some countries above 80%. And of the unvaccinated, most are children who are less susceptible in the first place.
But with Omicron, it's literally like we're back to March 2020. Norway (with 81% vaccination rate) went from normality to full lockdown in the past two weeks. I'm pretty sure that's coming everywhere else during the next month or so.
Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study
#619Earlier quoted context omitted.
They could have ended the wildtype pandemic. As soon as delta appeared it was impossible. They have 90% efficiency at best and you need 84% of all people protected to stop delta (1-1/R0 for R0=6). It's impossible to get such high vax rate.
We’re at 80% vaccination in Spain… I think we can surpass 84%.
37.7M fully vaccinated, 47.35M population -- impressive!
I was initially assuming you were excluding kids or other people ineligible to get vaccinated.
Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study
#620Earlier quoted context omitted.
The vaccine was initially sold as the tool to end the pandemic and get life back to 'normal'. The narrative has evolved to suit the deficiencies of the vaccine and keep profits from sinking.
They could have ended the wildtype pandemic. As soon as delta appeared it was impossible. They have 90% efficiency at best and you need 84% of all people protected to stop delta (1-1/R0 for R0=6). It's impossible to get such high vax rate.
They pretty much did end the Delta pandemic in the Bay Area. We had a minor spike up and then it subsided without any major restrictions or strain on the healthcare system. Vaccination rates are 95%+ where I am, so 0.95 * 0.9 = 0.855 and it was still over the herd immunity threshold.