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Rijksmuseum to Stage the Largest Vermeer Exhibition in 2023

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Re: Rijksmuseum to Stage the Largest Vermeer Exhibition in 2023

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Post by ghaff »

efdee wrote: post #60
ghaff wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are of course welcome to make their own risk assessments. And personally I'd hesitate to travel internationally (outside US) at this point given the potential for unexpected policy changes/disruption. But more generally I've certainly started traveling again and don't think people should not in general if they're comfortable doing so.

Make their own risk assessments - to some extent. EU Covid Safe ticket is required, as is wearing a mask.

My comment was in the context of parent's "nobody should be traveling unless absolutely necessary" comment. Obviously different locales have specific requirements especially to access indoor locations.

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Post by AlbertCory »

jmkd wrote: post #31

For a while I worked at Kenwood House in Hampstead, London. Home of Vermeer's The Guitar Player. As you may know, Vermeers are so few and far between that it's entirely possible to see every one (~36) if you're able to travel the world. So, there exists a subculture of (often) wealthy Vermeer completeists who travel the world doing exactly that. Every month or so at Kenwood, we would be instructed to come in early to…

"completeists" -- This reminds me of Big Year [1], i.e. ridiculous.

I've been to a lot of the world's major museums, but I've never been to The Netherlands (or Russia). I really don't get the attraction of a "private viewing." As long as there aren't so many people that someone's always walking in front of me (like at the Uffizi), I'm fine with other tourists there. Once in a great while, someone will say something interesting about it.

[1] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1053810/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0

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Post by fsloth »

dylan604 wrote: post #48
mikkelam wrote: post #29

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> Why would interest in technology negatively correlate with interest in art? OP didnt write any such thing. I think you're reading too much into his comment.

Because of the world, I have to wonder are people really this overly sensitive, or just trolls looking to stir trouble? However, this person seems very confused on what painting is. After their insensitivity accusations, they go on to claim that drawing on a iPad is equivalent to painting. That's like claiming someone plaing a golf game on iPad has insights on the skill of professional golfer.

"Because of the world, I have to wonder are people really this overly sensitive, or just trolls looking to stir trouble?"

Poor sentence building on my part, I get caught up on petty linguistics. No harm intended.

"However, this person seems very confused on what painting is. After their insensitivity accusations, they go on to claim that drawing on a iPad is equivalent to painting. That's like claiming someone plaing a golf game on iPad has insights on the skill of professional golfer."

No, really, modern digital tools are friggin awesome!

What I intended to convey that a person should really try painting once in their life, but they don't need to set up a studio with good lighting, get solvents and paints and brushes and so on.

I say this as a lifelong art enthusiast who loves his pens, charcoals, inks, acrylics and oils. And the IPad Pro with an Apple Pencil fits there actually really, really well. Similar experience can be had on a Wacom tablet and Photoshop, Clip Studio Paint, Krita or what ever program that takes into account artistic sensibilities in their tooling.

90% of the problematics constructing a painting can be investigated using a digital medium.

Oils bring in the pigments and their interaction with each other and medium, but that's kind of an added layer of complexity on top of the artistically critical elements - shape, color, detail reproduction and so on. Because when you paint, it's not an act of photography, but a process where one needs to decide on lots of these issues.

You can take what ever course or book that teaches oil painting, and apply it on a digital medium quite far.

The key tools are 1. a brush that maps pressure to size 2. a brush that maps pressure to opacity 3. a blend tool to blend the colors. Layers help in keeping things tight. It's really nice if the software attempts to provide realistic blending of colors, but it's not necessary - all of these have been available for decades on digital paint tools.

I totally agree a digital painting lacks the feeling of an actual oil painting, but the problematics are the same. As an example these include shape, tonal mapping from the scene to the canvas, choosing a palette, choosing which details to render and which not.

Re: Rijksmuseum to Stage the Largest Vermeer Exhibition in 2023

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Post by legitster »

Vinnl wrote: post #34

The Mauritshuis, the regular home of The Girl with a Pearl Earring, is also well worth your while. It's a lot smaller than the Rijksmuseum, so you don't need to set aside as much time, but additionally has The Goldfinch by Fabritius (recommended companion read: The Goldfinch by Donna Tartt) and The Anatomy Lesson of Dr. Nicolaes Tulp by Rembrandt.

Came here to say this. If anyone feels compelled to visit Amsterdam because of the Vermeer exhibit, I certainly hope they make the trip to The Hague which has some amazing museums and far less of the drunk tourists.

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Post by mlyle »

willhinsa wrote: post #54
alangibson wrote: post #19

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Tim's Vermeer was directed and produced by Penn and Teller. While I loved it, I can't shake the feeling the whole thing was a hoax.

This article [0] would seem to agree with that feeling you can't shake; not that it's a "hoax" per se, but that it's bullshit ;) > So what does it lack? The film implies anyone can make a beautiful work of art with the right application of science. There is no need for mystical ideas like genius. > But the mysterious genius of Vermeer is exactly what's missing from Tim's Vermeer. It is arrogant to deny the enigmatic…

I think the article and this comment misses the point.

As far as "just use the right optical tricks and you can be Vermeer" -- sure, this is bullshit.

As far as showing that an optical method was a real possibility for how Vermeer created his work-- sure! A layman using the tricks was able to get very close, but lacked the artistry himself to put in Vermeer's unique magic in: this establishes that the optical techniques were a plausible way for the works to be created.

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Post by ojilles »

alamortsubite wrote: post #49
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #45

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And outside of the Covid crisis of course; nobody should be traveling unless absolutely necessary, and nobody should be visiting museums unless fully vaccinated (for their own safety), masked up, and there's a strict visitor limit. I'm not convinced ventilation would be good enough in a museum given they can't open windows.

To assuage some of your concerns, the museum requires an EU COVID certificate and accompanying ID for entry, capacity is reduced, and visitors must wear masks except while dining in the cafe. Your travel fears are off-topic so I'll leave it at that.

To add to that list: I’d bet good money the Rijk’s ventilation and climate control is top notch.

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Post by jmkd »

AlbertCory wrote: post #63
jmkd wrote: post #31

For a while I worked at Kenwood House in Hampstead, London. Home of Vermeer's The Guitar Player. As you may know, Vermeers are so few and far between that it's entirely possible to see every one (~36) if you're able to travel the world. So, there exists a subculture of (often) wealthy Vermeer completeists who travel the world doing exactly that. Every month or so at Kenwood, we would be instructed to come in early to…

"completeists" -- This reminds me of Big Year [1], i.e. ridiculous. I've been to a lot of the world's major museums, but I've never been to The Netherlands (or Russia). I really don't get the attraction of a "private viewing." As long as there aren't so many people that someone's always walking in front of me (like at the Uffizi), I'm fine with other tourists there. Once in a great while, someone will say something i…

Having worked with countless museums the opportunity of a private viewing - especially with a knowledgable curator - is never to be passed up.

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Post by lisper »

bschne wrote: post #41
jmkd wrote: post #31

For a while I worked at Kenwood House in Hampstead, London. Home of Vermeer's The Guitar Player. As you may know, Vermeers are so few and far between that it's entirely possible to see every one (~36) if you're able to travel the world. So, there exists a subculture of (often) wealthy Vermeer completeists who travel the world doing exactly that. Every month or so at Kenwood, we would be instructed to come in early to…

> As you may know, Vermeers are so few and far between that it's entirely possible to see every one (~36) if you're able to travel the world. As someone has actually done and made a website about: https://jlord.us/vermeer/about.html

According to the movie "Tim's Vermeer", at least one Vermeer (The Music Lesson) is in Buckingham palace and not generally accessible to the public. How do you get to see that one?

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Post by senortumnus »

pradn wrote: post #39
jmkd wrote: post #31

For a while I worked at Kenwood House in Hampstead, London. Home of Vermeer's The Guitar Player. As you may know, Vermeers are so few and far between that it's entirely possible to see every one (~36) if you're able to travel the world. So, there exists a subculture of (often) wealthy Vermeer completeists who travel the world doing exactly that. Every month or so at Kenwood, we would be instructed to come in early to…

There's 9 Vermeers just within a few blocks in New York: 4 at the Frick Collection and 5 at the Metropolitan Museum.

Second this! Go see these Vermeers and then decide if you should follow it up with a trip to the 2023 show!
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