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Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Post by sjg007 »

mrtksn wrote: post #255
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would suspect that most people who are were already vulnerable have already passed or built immunity if the virus is equally dangerous, resulting in a lower than equal death rate despite equivalent risk. Although... Can we never, not even once, be a little optimistic? To me, the news that we may be replacing COVID with a less severe strain is some of the best news of the year. COVID clearly isn't going away at this…

Just look at well vaccinated populations like UK or Spain and then look at not well vaccinated like Bulgaria to see if it holds. Unfortunately, in Bulgaria you see that the size of the deaths wave still follows the size of the infection wave. The “no vulnerable people to die are left” hypothesis doesn’t hold. Those who survived survived because they were lucky, careful or vaccinated. It’s not true that the virus burn…

The UK has basically indicated that it is going to be bad and are relying on boosting before the new year to blunt the impact. If that doesn't work, lock downs are coming..

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Post by landemva »

ineedasername wrote: post #260
wonderwonder wrote: post #98

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I live in a state where mask mandates are essentially gone. Very few people wear masks here and they are not required in schools so only ~5% of kids are wearing them at my children's elementary school. Everything seems pretty good so far, no marked rise in cases and almost no cases in my kids school over the last year, maybe 25 total, all mild. I am in no way saying masks don't work, in fact I think that they do. Wit…

"Everything seems pretty good so far" There shortages of hospital beds across many states [0] If you want a full perspective on things, look further than your own state. Unless you live in Wyoming, Colorado, Alaska, North Dakota, or Montana then everything is not going very well. Most people don't live in these states, and many of the states with loose mask mandates are not in that short list. A small are just about…

Increase in infections does not equal death. It does bring the population closer to herd immunity. Infections and recovery bring sterilizing immunity, which is not provided by the shots.

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Post by adolph »

ceejayoz wrote: post #194
mixedCase wrote: post #185

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Except COVID is not the end goal here, it is living a full life in proximity to other human beings that comes with a risk of getting COVID. It is no different in purpose than driving for the most part.

There's a wide spectrum of precautions available. I traveled overseas recently, but I KN95 masked on the plane and tested before departure and on arrival. I felt like I was living a pretty full life in Bora Bora, while also taking steps to ensure the safety of myself and others around me. Same thing with driving; we have a variety of safety precautions - quite a few of them mandatory - involved that help tilt the cos…

Why travel anywhere if you are living a flu life in Bora Bora?

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Post by [deleted] »

rednerrus wrote: post #277
andrewflnr wrote: post #249

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If I evades vaccines for more dangerous variants, I'm not convinced catching it will make me immune to those variants either. It might actually be different enough to be independent.

Have you seen any evidence that this may be likely?

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Post by TurkishPoptart »

ineedasername wrote: post #260
wonderwonder wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in a state where mask mandates are essentially gone. Very few people wear masks here and they are not required in schools so only ~5% of kids are wearing them at my children's elementary school. Everything seems pretty good so far, no marked rise in cases and almost no cases in my kids school over the last year, maybe 25 total, all mild. I am in no way saying masks don't work, in fact I think that they do. Wit…

"Everything seems pretty good so far" There shortages of hospital beds across many states [0] If you want a full perspective on things, look further than your own state. Unless you live in Wyoming, Colorado, Alaska, North Dakota, or Montana then everything is not going very well. Most people don't live in these states, and many of the states with loose mask mandates are not in that short list. A small are just about…

"cases" is not really a relevant variable anymore. It's been two years of a "pandemic" and I don't know a single person who's died from this ting yet. Of course, none of my Seattle neighbors will go out to walk their dog without wearing 3 masks.

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boringg wrote: post #21

I have a question for anyone who has a serious level of knowledge on virus evolution: As viruses evolve over time is there any correlation to severity - do they have trade offs as they evolve? I am hoping that it would be some kind of trade off that the virus makes in that it can spread more easily but not be as severe (I understand that it is unlikely nature requires a trade-off). I ask as my concern is that while t…

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Post by dang »

TurkishPoptart wrote: post #294

So it's a weak cold at best. Still, these "vaccines" aren't going to sell themselves.

Please don't take HN threads straight into flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. You can make your substantive points without that, so please do so.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by laluser »

fbourque wrote: post #192
roody15 wrote: post #175

This is honesty good news. The best case scenario is a new less deadly highly contagious strain that become the most dominant and spreads worldwide. Way too many comments and articles that try and keep the fear train running full steam. A mild strain of covid that is contagious, leads to natural immunity and doesn’t require a vaccine is an absolute win win for the world.

Won't it contribute to more variants in the future if it spreads? But maybe we are past that point with other variants?

Yes, as long as it is out there, it means it can continue to mutate.

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Post by [deleted] »

dsizzle wrote: post #16
vkou wrote: post #10

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Second infections, on average, have slightly worse outcomes then first infections among the unvaccinated. https://jim.bmj.com/content/69/6/1253 It's a small sample, but it was done on data available in 2020, which was before vaccines were available.

That link shows most (69%) have similar outcomes. 68.8% -- 19% had worse symptoms and 12.5% had milder symptoms. Small sample size, but even similar result is somewhat surprising -- I would've thought the 2nd infection would be weaker.

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