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Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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I was giving it some due until I saw this -- > It’s the fact that they can live their daily life and send kids to school with minimal restrictions. I completely disagree with this. This is the number one reason why I will not move away from a science believing/respecting area. I don't want the headache of people with lack of basic common sense on top of everything life throws at you. If the pandemic has taught us any…

This seems to work well for both sides then. I wonder if there is a downside to people self-segregating based on belief systems so vehemently because of intolerance?

I'm perfectly happy living next to people who disagree with me viciously. Problem is, they always try to force it on me.

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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Yes I know. My point is that I think it's unlikely that anything comes out behind eliminating commutes. Even "essentially no access to services" is closer access to services than the common exurban commuting distance.

I mean you responded as if you think I was using HN comments as a representative sample and not as an illustrative anecdote... > Even "essentially no access to services" is closer access to services than the common exurban commuting distance. Okay... But it's not a one-to-one replacement... A single two-way commute might be replaced by significant drives to the grocery store, restaurants, schools, after-school activi…

I think it's very likely that commuting to white collar jobs is in the process of undergoing a very significant and lasting change. The magnitude of it remains to be seen, but even significant changes on the margin can drive structural shifts.

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

#493

My family and I decided to stay on the north side of Chicago, a very high cost of living location, despite no longer needing to head downtown every day for work. Why not move outside of Chicago where our cost living would be substantially lower? * We wanted to keep our kids in the same school, which is walking distance. * We like being walking distance to the grocery store, doctor's offices, etc. * Our kids can walk…

I grew up in the country, used to live in the suburbs, and currently live in Chicago. Yes, we could afford to have a lot more space that we personally own if we lived in a less dense area. But no, I don't miss it. I don't feel cooped up in a small space where I live right now. Nor did I feel cooped up living in a college dormitory, for that matter. I do feel cooped up in a small space when I'm staying with friends an…

Sure a small backyard isn't great... But I live in a major city and instead we just walk to the enormous park, which is way bigger than any backyard.

It's a very different mindset that I thought I'd hate but now that I'm here I couldn't imagine it any other way.

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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Why do you automatically assume that kids are miserable in the suburbs? My kids rather like running around in our backyard, use our pool everyday in the summer, and having tons of friends on the block. At the same time, I can't imagine that they would enjoy living in 2 bedroom apartment, having no yard to play in, etc. This disdain for suburbs is quite tacky and out of touch. It's okay to think differently. I'm glad…

Kids like suburbs just fine before they understand there's a big world out there outside the family unit. Often things fall apart after that phase. > I can't imagine that they would enjoy living in 2 bedroom apartment OK but that's a problem with a limited imagination, not how your kids would actually feel. Do you know that 90% of families in the world live in close quarters, in places like 2 bedroom apartments (or -…

I've lived in countries where families living in 2 bedroom apartments is the norm, and sure, they don't hate their lives. But they live in them because they can't afford more. The families I knew all aspired to a more suburban home.

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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> and live off a VERY modest retirement (WELL under a million saved/invested) for the next 40 years Do you mind sharing how much? I'm curious why most people seem to think $1M is somehow not enough money to retire modestly on. If previous trends continue, you could easily live on >$4K after taxes per month indefinitely. That's almost 50% higher than median wage (after taxes). Median wage = ~$41,000. Even with $0 stat…

Many retirement calculators assume post-retirement montly outflow of ~70% of pre-retirement amount. I don't know if this holds true for very high income families, but whenever I run various scenarios, I leave it. I also assume many people won't have paid-off homes, so they're stuck paying rent or mortgage. Cars aren't cheap to keep running. Medical expenses are insane in the US.

I may still have a mortgage in 'retirement' (~10-15 years off, depending on multiple factors), and... depending on provable income, may not be able to get another one. While it's definitely a 'monthly debt' to pay off, it will likely not even be close to the cost of health insurance. Current lowest cost plan we got last year was $900/month for two people - that was $150 more than our mortgage. Mortgage/taxes/insurance were coming out around $1000. Even if I paid off the mortgage, property taxes and insurance would be ~$300/month. Health insurance is (for us) 3x that right now. Yes, it's insane.

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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What would you think of a combination of high density and large green space? Lay out a city like a fractal with the interior being dense, but you're always close to woodlands, open fields (farms?), or parks. I know zoning boards are incapable of maintaining such a structure without constantly making exceptions for developers, but what would you think of such an arrangement?

That's not far from London, a pretty dense city as they go, but also one that just about, technically speaking, counts as a forest thanks to the number of trees [1]. I live in one of the densest boroughs of London, on a main road, and I've got ample access to parks and green space. [1] https://www.timeout.com/london/things-to-do/did-you-know-tha...

Toronto is very similar. Outside of the very dense core, but still very much in Toronto proper, you can get lost in forests and ravines and have to be on the lookout for coyote!

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

#497

I'd go South if the politics start to blue-up. I figure if this trend holds as the article says, by the time I'm ready to retire there will have been two censuses. I care about social justice, local produce, and warm weather. The south has 2 out of 3.

I find it ironic that where you want to go needs to be "more blue" because where you're currently living isn't that great (but is blue).

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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Sadly, the time for name-calling those who disagree with you has not yet passed, nor has the time of civility arrived.

If you keep perpetuating flamewars like this on HN we will ban you. We've had to ask you about this a lot, and it's seriously not cool. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

First: It's fair for you to call me on the carpet for this one.

Second, though: "We've had to ask you about this a lot"? I recall exactly one other time in eight years that you have done so. I recognize that I'm just begging for the man with the database to expose the flaws in my memory, but... I really don't recall any more than that one other time.

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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As an European, I love the American culture. But if you had the European standards on healthcare (The Spaniard one it's great), America would enter in a 2nd golden age.

As an European with extensive knowledge about government budgeting and costs, I find the naivety of most people regarding European healthcare systems incredible. There is not enough money in the world to deliver the promise of the European hc systems and there is no serious reporting on the results to make people aware of the gap. Most people believe healthcare is readily available, free and unlimited, none of these…

A friend of mine works in a global healthcare company and launches products in multiple countries. Very eye opening at how barebones many universal healthcare systems are.

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

#500

I'd go South if the politics start to blue-up. I figure if this trend holds as the article says, by the time I'm ready to retire there will have been two censuses. I care about social justice, local produce, and warm weather. The south has 2 out of 3.

> I'd go South if the politics start to blue-up

move and accelerate the process

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