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Re: Bird populations declining fast across North America

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Disagree with this. According to this article, birds aren't dying off because people choose the almighty dollar, they're dying because they smash into windows or are hunted by cats. The solution isn't to examine our relationship to abstractions versus reality, it's to put a screen on the window so the bird will notice it in time.

And make outdoor cats illegal. An unpopular opinion no doubt. But from nature photographers to veterinarians, the outdoor cat is not good for anyone, including the cat.

That seems very silly. The concept of an indoor or outdoor cat didn't even exist until one hundred years ago.

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=outdoor+cat%2C...

Re: Bird populations declining fast across North America

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I feed a massive colony of Icterids (blackbirds, grackles and cowbirds) that live in my backyard. They are so fun to watch. I fully believe they are close to apes in terms of intelligence. Hopefully something can be done to save the declining bird population. America was able to almost totally reverse the impending extinction of Bald Eagles and Falcons through banning DDT, I can only pray similar action is taken in t…

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Re: Bird populations declining fast across North America

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I do remember how much changed in the last decade. A very nice decline in solar power cost. But you know what? That didn't solve any problems. Emissions kept rising at an exponential rate, meaning the problem not only kept getting worse, it got worse at a faster rate . Adding solar capacity replaced no fossil fuel capacity. We're using more fossil fuels than ever. We are still on exponential growth. So the next decad…

Whose emissions? Western emissions (yes, including carbon embodied in imported goods) are falling for a decade both in Europe and in the US [1], both per capita and total. Sure, there are six more billion people on the planet that can't afford cutting edge grids and loads of renewables and nuclear just yet, but that's a temporary issue, the efficiencies of scale will take care of that. That "exponential growth" is mo…

> which means any "degrowth" rhetoric is just outright misanthropical

Sorry, I will absolutely challenge "misanthropic" being used here. To suggest that we modern humans could not live as our ancestors did--that is, fulfilling, local, simpler lives with less technology and vastly less energy usage is a subtle assertion that the modern way of living is the only moral one. Which is just, anthropologically, vapid elitism and completely ignorant of human existence over millenia. (I challenge you to live a decade as an ancient philosopher in ancient Greece's height and come back to your 9-to-5 job). This "misanthropic" word comes laden with an implicit accusation that we'd force disease and poverty on people when in fact the only thing that forces disease and poverty on people is exactly overpopulation and broken political and economic systems which are ironically exactly the thing supposedly producing this great wealth.

Oh, we moderns have figured out exactly the right way to hold the world, alright. Rampant consumerism and overconsumption. Yep, the most moral system.

To argue that we need degrowth is not to argue that we need be sick and poor. Hell, the richest person 200 years ago was neither sick nor poor, but was incapable of living a high-carbon lifestyle despite utter luxury. Our entire modern system runs on unsustainable levels of energy consumption and is inextricably wedded to fossil fuels. We live like little kings because we burn the Earth's hidden energy reserves to do it.

So yeah, de-grow it.

Re: Bird populations declining fast across North America

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I've noticed an even more disturbing trend of learned helplessness and misanthropic Malthusianism in these threads over the years. Not a single comment, at time of writing, has had a positive tone, and there are very few actionable suggestions. No consideration is given to the many positives in modern life, nor to realistic, productive tradeoffs. Everyone wants to wail in dismay at the perceived impending doom and do…

What birds really need is an ad-supported video social network and dating site with feed delivery.

Re: Bird populations declining fast across North America

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> blackbirds, sparrows and finches, account for over 90 percent Among other factors which contribute to this, one thing not mentioned is that bird feeders and bird houses used to be a very common sight in American backyards, but do not seem to be anymore. I've only seen one house that has them now.

Bird feeders killed them. Also, neurological issues in birds may be due to pesticide poisoning, including indirect consumption through insects. US agriculture relies heavily on large scale use of pesticides, and the big chemical companies lobby globally to keep them in use despite known dangers.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wildlife-officials-dont-fe...

Re: Bird populations declining fast across North America

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post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree with this. According to this article, birds aren't dying off because people choose the almighty dollar, they're dying because they smash into windows or are hunted by cats. The solution isn't to examine our relationship to abstractions versus reality, it's to put a screen on the window so the bird will notice it in time.

Actually, is that really what the article said? > Experts believe that habitat loss due to agricultural development and intensification is most likely the driving factor. But I don't think the numbers in the article make sense together. > wild bird populations in the continental U.S. and Canada have declined by 29 percent—or a total net loss of around three billion birds—since 1970. > between 365 million and one bill…

I think the honest answer is that we just don't have nearly as much surety around these numbers as you might expect.

I went looking for data on actual bird populations, and I get wildly different estimates.

The 3 billion number comes from the following source (as far as I can tell):

" Critical data were contributed by citizen-science participants in the Audubon Christmas Bird Count, North American Breeding Bird Survey, and other bird-monitoring initiatives. The Partners in Flight Avian Conservation Assessment Database was a critical source for the data. " - https://www.birds.cornell.edu/home/bring-birds-back/

Nat Geo quotes

" New research estimates there are between 50 billion and 430 billion birds on Earth. " - https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/how-many-...

A lot of articles seem to quote the "at least 50 billion" line, probably based on the above numbers.

Basically - I'd say we have no idea how many birds there really are. Take ALL numbers involved as wild guesses.

Re: Bird populations declining fast across North America

#157
post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree with this. According to this article, birds aren't dying off because people choose the almighty dollar, they're dying because they smash into windows or are hunted by cats. The solution isn't to examine our relationship to abstractions versus reality, it's to put a screen on the window so the bird will notice it in time.

Actually, is that really what the article said? > Experts believe that habitat loss due to agricultural development and intensification is most likely the driving factor. But I don't think the numbers in the article make sense together. > wild bird populations in the continental U.S. and Canada have declined by 29 percent—or a total net loss of around three billion birds—since 1970. > between 365 million and one bill…

Counting population based on deaths alone isn't accurate

If the ecosystem is healthy, a dozen birds dying will make way for a dozen more to replace them

Re: Bird populations declining fast across North America

#158
post #113

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And make outdoor cats illegal. An unpopular opinion no doubt. But from nature photographers to veterinarians, the outdoor cat is not good for anyone, including the cat.

I blame online communities for this. Cat ladies are insane and organized now. In my city, there’s a group distributing shelters and placing them in various outdoor areas to keep feral cats alive over the winter. They are as nutty as the pigeon feeders, except the cats kill everything in sight.

We have a group like this, which feeds a couple dozen feral cats on "Kitty Cat Lane." Of course there is science behind the insanity -- toxoplasmosis infections from the cats they love.

Re: Bird populations declining fast across North America

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> blackbirds, sparrows and finches, account for over 90 percent Among other factors which contribute to this, one thing not mentioned is that bird feeders and bird houses used to be a very common sight in American backyards, but do not seem to be anymore. I've only seen one house that has them now.

Bird feeders killed them. Also, neurological issues in birds may be due to pesticide poisoning, including indirect consumption through insects. US agriculture relies heavily on large scale use of pesticides, and the big chemical companies lobby globally to keep them in use despite known dangers. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wildlife-officials-dont-fe...

If you trace stories from that article it only references feeders causing an issue from a disease since May 2020, not overall since the 70s.

Re: Bird populations declining fast across North America

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> The U.S North American Bird Conservation Initiative estimates that our pet felines kill some 2.6 billion birds annually in the U.S. alone. The 100M pet cats in US on average kill 26 birds/yr? Doesn't seem right. When I track the source[1] of research, the estimates include both "own" and "unowned" cats and rely on some assumptions like "a correction factor to account for owned cats not returning all prey to owners"…

26 a year for an outdoor cat honestly seems low to me… that’s 1 every other week. I had one cat that I started keeping inside because it was approaching one per day. Without us they’d be doing this for sustenance, so in theory multiple kills a day.

Agree, we have an indoor/outdoor cat, he's fixed and usually has a bell collar on, and he still kills more than 26 birds and mice a year.
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