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Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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Post by ben-schaaf »

jedberg wrote: post #263
ben-schaaf wrote: post #66

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It's always crazy to hear that suburbs are cheaper. Dense living inherently requires less infrastructure and less transportation, so it should be considerably cheaper. It's only through the subsidisation of suburbia and the low supply/high demand of high density urban areas that this is the case. Car centric suburbs aren't just terrible for the environment, terrible for safety and terrible for transportation; they're…

> Dense living inherently requires less infrastructure and less transportation Not really. Firstly, it costs a lot more per square foot to build a high rise than a single family home. Secondly, it costs a lot more to maintain it (elevators need constant maintenance, you can't just run to Home Depot to get replacement drain parts, etc.). And the infrastructure costs more to maintain -- running power to a high rise req…

> Not really. Firstly, it costs a lot more per square foot to build a high rise than a single family home. Secondly, it costs a lot more to maintain it (elevators need constant maintenance, you can't just run to Home Depot to get replacement drain parts, etc.).

Just to clarify: High density doesn't mean high rises. It means traditional developments at 2-5 stories. No elevator, water pump, special power, etc. These places are significantly cheaper than single family homes and provide dense walkable living.

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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Post by timbit42 »

TurkishPoptart wrote: post #410
diveanon wrote: post #235

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Your germ factory kids can still spread it. How are we still having this conversation 2 years in?

How are we still pretending that people who've received the vaccine (which should really be labeled a prophylactic) can't spread or contract the virus?

Because vaccines aren't 100% but they do great reduce transmission, infection and illness. If two people are both vaccinated, it is reduced even more.

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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Post by CountDrewku »

diveanon wrote: post #457
CountDrewku wrote: post #443

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>Asymptotically spreading COVID has been discussed and documented all over the world. I don’t believe this question is in good faith.

Then you should easily be able to back that up with data. So please provide it. Hypothesis are not evidence. I have plenty of evidence that shows the opposite.

https://adc.bmj.com/content/105/7/618

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200710100934.h...

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle...

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32430964/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32914746/

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.26394

Have fun. If you'd like more to keep you busy let me know :).

>Some people would like to spend time with their families this Christmas without having to worry about their children being vectors for a fucking plague that has now mutated to dodge the vaccine.

Normal people will not be wearing masks to Christmas. Why would we worry about children being vectors? "The science" doesn't back this up and even if it did there's a vaccine for it. Are you confused about how the vaccine works? If COVID is this big of a deal then you should just avoid Christmas and leave the rest of us alone. Why are you venturing out if it affects you that much? I have a hard time believing you're acting in good faith when it comes to stopping COVID infection and then talking about social gatherings. It appears that you just want to control others.

>Wear a mask ffs so we can move on with our lives.

Massive strawman happening here.

I've already moved on with my life.. That happened like year ago when everyone was able to get the vaccine if they wished. You have health anxiety, get it treated please and stop turning your personal fears into authoritarian rhetoric you think you have the right to shove down other people's throats.

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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Post by timbit42 »

CountDrewku wrote: post #441
asimpletune wrote: post #381

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It’s a little hard to go you a specific answer as it’s highly personal but the pandemic is also highly local. Europe is hard with the pandemic because it’s crowded in the main towns and cities, and a little colder than the USA. In smaller places the virus is much much less severe than you think. That being said, I think the impact of the virus will diminish with the combination of vaccines as well as the virus contin…

>Anyway, speculation aside, there’s also quality of life to consider. A lot of other places in the world really emphasize this. Ok feel free to give me some. I'd like to know the COL in these places as well. A lot people here tend to complain about the US but are living in ridiculous high cost coastal areas and are unaware of more affordable options. Most of them are willingly sacrificing QOL because they refuse to c…

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries.jsp

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Post by [deleted] »

mumblemumble wrote: post #351
treis wrote: post #286

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Because cafes and bread from bakeries are (relative) luxuries. Even if it's just $1 more a coffee/loaf that adds up to significant money over a year. That's the thing that I think people miss. Scale makes things cheaper and to have scale at retail you need to pull customers from a large area. You could do the same in a dense area but then you run into housing cost/size problems. I don't see how you get the typical 4/…

What I have seen in my travels is that those cafés and bakeries are not all that expensive in places where they are the norm. They occupy an environment where they have serious competition from truly comparable businesses, and a larger potential clientele. That brings market forces into play, which means they are more directly incentivized to compete on price and make it up on volume, while keeping quality high. Comp…

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Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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Post by lotsofpulp »

mumblemumble wrote: post #351
treis wrote: post #286

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Because cafes and bread from bakeries are (relative) luxuries. Even if it's just $1 more a coffee/loaf that adds up to significant money over a year. That's the thing that I think people miss. Scale makes things cheaper and to have scale at retail you need to pull customers from a large area. You could do the same in a dense area but then you run into housing cost/size problems. I don't see how you get the typical 4/…

What I have seen in my travels is that those cafés and bakeries are not all that expensive in places where they are the norm. They occupy an environment where they have serious competition from truly comparable businesses, and a larger potential clientele. That brings market forces into play, which means they are more directly incentivized to compete on price and make it up on volume, while keeping quality high. Comp…

> The bread is overpriced and hastily made.

This is contradicted by this:

> But they probably also need to have high prices because people only buy bread there for special occasions.

It is not overpriced, it is prices according to its supply and demand.

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Post by dang »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #444
diveanon wrote: post #442

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Sadly, the time for name-calling those who disagree with you has not yet passed, nor has the time of civility arrived.

If you keep perpetuating flamewars like this on HN we will ban you. We've had to ask you about this a lot, and it's seriously not cool.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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Post by dang »

diveanon wrote: post #458
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #444

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Sadly, the time for name-calling those who disagree with you has not yet passed, nor has the time of civility arrived.

Spare me your moral grand standing

We've banned this account for posting egregious flamewar comments (alas, tons of them) and ignoring our many requests to stop. You can't post this aggressively to HN, regardless of how right you are or feel you are. The same goes for any other user.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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Post by dang »

willis936 wrote: post #156

Visit Texas or Florida first. I've lived in Texas and visited Florida many times. I've also visited San Jose. TX and FL are hell compared to CA. I don't care for CA either, but that's because of cultural (coastal) differences. The NorthEast is heaven on Earth.

Please don't take HN threads into regional flamewar. You can make your substantive points without name-calling and swipes.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29541695.

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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Post by dang »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #367
willis936 wrote: post #300

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If you think human feces in public is a problem worth leaving for then try living in a place where you don't know if the water is poisoned, if the power will stay on, or the ground will literally crumble under your home. The local governments are neither equipped nor interested in making those places habitable. It's getting worse and will continue to. Hurricanes and rising sea levels will bankrupt TX and FL each in t…

So basically you’re upset about Florida and Texas for a different set of hysterical political reasons. Personally, I’d find my daily life more affected by feces on the sidewalk than I would the existential dread of sea level rising half a meter in the next hundred years. Frankly if you want to be scared of natural disaster over that time period, it’s probably more dangerous to live on the fault line in San Francisco…

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. That's exactly the opposite of what commenters should be doing here, and we ban accounts that do it repeatedly. We've already had to warn you about this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29018199.

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