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Re: “We removed the RSS feed since this technology became obsolete”

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This hurts. RSS is the only way I know, without having to scrap things by hand, to get an aggregate of "news/articles" from the sites and blogs I follow, and I consider to be of good quality. I prefer to filter my information like this, instead of having to rely on some algorithm, or endlessly scrolling in a "social medial wall" full or clickbait articles, immortal/vintage memes or exuberant rants. If RSS dies, what…

> I prefer to filter my information like this, instead of having to rely on some algorithm, or endlessly scrolling in a "social medial wall" full or clickbait articles, immortal/vintage memes or exuberant rants.

Well, that's the whole point - RSS lets you circumvent all (or most of) the mechanisms that Facebook, Google, Medium etc. etc. have implemented to monetize content. So they are directly interested in killing it off sooner rather than later. And if the big players don't support it, the people/organizations/whatever who still maintain their own blog/news site are also more likely to see it as obsolete (or have web devs who tend to follow the "new shiny" and will advise them that RSS is obsolete).

Re: “We removed the RSS feed since this technology became obsolete”

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post #115

I'm a very happy daily RSS user, but we ought to be upfront about its ginormous deficiencies: - every day I deal with broken links and broken images because my feed reader doesn't know from which URL it should resolve relative links - there's no pagination mechanism, or way for a client to ask for "all posts since last Friday". If you want your feed to always have all posts available, you need to include the entirety…

RSS is my preferred way to stay up to date. The only reason to remove it is to force consumers onto a platform that can push more advertisements. So it's not so much obsolete, but it is less profitable.

Re: “We removed the RSS feed since this technology became obsolete”

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post #115

I'm a very happy daily RSS user, but we ought to be upfront about its ginormous deficiencies: - every day I deal with broken links and broken images because my feed reader doesn't know from which URL it should resolve relative links - there's no pagination mechanism, or way for a client to ask for "all posts since last Friday". If you want your feed to always have all posts available, you need to include the entirety…

> - every day I deal with broken links and broken images because my feed reader doesn't know from which URL it should resolve relative links

> - lots of posts include iframes, or content that only makes sense with JS enabled

These are the fault of broken RSS feed generators. The RSS feed should contain a textual summary of the article.

> - if I want to follow any link I get kicked back out to a bloated web page

This is working as intended and not an issue. I don't think any alternatives would make sense.

> - there's no pagination mechanism, or way for a client to ask for "all posts since last Friday". If you want your feed to always have all posts available, you need to include the entirety of your archive in every feed response.

Agree that this sucks.

> - XML

Really?

Re: “We removed the RSS feed since this technology became obsolete”

#124

This hurts. RSS is the only way I know, without having to scrap things by hand, to get an aggregate of "news/articles" from the sites and blogs I follow, and I consider to be of good quality. I prefer to filter my information like this, instead of having to rely on some algorithm, or endlessly scrolling in a "social medial wall" full or clickbait articles, immortal/vintage memes or exuberant rants. If RSS dies, what…

Well, and also, isn't it basically free to implement an RSS feed for a website on every common content management platform, blog generator, etc.?

Re: “We removed the RSS feed since this technology became obsolete”

#125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm trying to figure out if this is serious or parody. You do know that RSS is a spec, not a brand, right? Right?

It's serious, the person you replied to is talking about how to revive a dying _thing_. Whether you want to call it a spec or a brand or a product does not really matter in this context, RSS has elements of all three. Their point is that trying to get people to change their minds on RSS is going to result in wasted effort, and that if you want RSS to live you need to market the hell out of a functionally equivalent r…

Exactly right.

All things you are trying to get others to use have a brand, whether implicit or not. Heck, it's usually even valued separately from the technology (good will, etc).

RSS, the spec may be fine. I've implemented RSS readers, heck, i use newsblur every day still.

RSS, the brand, is a goner.

The OP (and twitter post) is complaining that others consider the brand dead, and are arguing that the use case it covers are unmet by other things, and that the spec is still good stuff. Those are all very orthogonal things.

It's great that the spec is still the right thing! But the brand is dead, so you won't get anywhere without fixing that.

Re: “We removed the RSS feed since this technology became obsolete”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Y'all need to lean into the game a bit. Most of the time, things don't win or stay just because they are good. They win because of good marketing, etc. RSS, the brand, is a loser at this point. It is viewed as old, tired, and obsolete. It doesn't matter if it is the right tech. That's not a state you can grow from. At this point the right answer (IMHO) is to create a new thing that is very similar, but has a new bran…

I'm trying to figure out if this is serious or parody. You do know that RSS is a spec, not a brand, right? Right?

If we use the term brand to mean, "reputation," then yes, adoption is a function of reputation. Reputation can be justly granted (due to things like the functional value it provided) but it also can be disparaged regardless of the merit of the argument.

If enough people think that RSS sucks, is too old, died with GReader, has no user-base, or whatever other story, why would they invest their time and effort in supporting it? If the problem isn't technical, then it might need some kind of marketing solution to get over the historical baggage in the zeitgeist.

Re: “We removed the RSS feed since this technology became obsolete”

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post #100

This hurts. RSS is the only way I know, without having to scrap things by hand, to get an aggregate of "news/articles" from the sites and blogs I follow, and I consider to be of good quality. I prefer to filter my information like this, instead of having to rely on some algorithm, or endlessly scrolling in a "social medial wall" full or clickbait articles, immortal/vintage memes or exuberant rants. If RSS dies, what…

> If RSS dies, what is the alternative then? I understand that technically speaking it's not a good solution, but let's have something else before killing this. Instead of focusing on a technology, let's focus on a problem. This is where users and potential users of RSS have a communication problem with publishers of content. It used to be that the masses consumed RSS feeds. So, you could have metrics on that. But, t…

> Instead of focusing on a technology, let's focus on a problem.

This would be good, but it seems most people are too focused on RSS and not much on the actual usage. The point of RSS is to receive changes in a structured way. RSS is just a tool for this. But there are also other ways and other tools for this.

> It used to be that the masses consumed RSS feeds.

No, this was never the case. Newsfeeds were always a minority-feature. The mass of user used to be bigger, but not to the level where it could be called a mass medium.

We don't need to communicate better to the publisher to force our will onto them. Instead, we should find ways to ease their work and help them satisfy our demands. For example, there was a movement for embedding semantic and structural data right into a document. Something came out of this, but maybe we should light up that flame again and move it more into a direction where it could be used for our feedreaders. Or just adapt the feedreader to better support the already existing structures?

This could easily sold with support for accessibility, and everyone would win here. Thinking about, how is the state of accessibility-technologies today? Could it be used for easy and reliable parsing?

Re: “We removed the RSS feed since this technology became obsolete”

#128
I've the same issue with some local news webpages and government sites, but I've been using PolitePol[1] to generate the feeds; they're not great but get the job done. Right now I'm looking for projects like RSSHub[2] or RSS Bridge[3] to have a similar service but self-hosted and without the restrictions of the free tier of PolitePol.

I think in the future RSS will be a community driven effort, not something that the website themselves care to implement.

[1] - https://politepol.com/en/ [2] - https://github.com/DIYgod/RSSHub [3] - https://github.com/RSS-Bridge/rss-bridge

Re: “We removed the RSS feed since this technology became obsolete”

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I have all my feeds sent to email with a hand rolled setup which I did in a few hours one day. I also made a youtube and twitter feed to RSS which then gets sent to my email along with the rest. Oh and one HTML to RSS based on CSS query selectors for sites that don't have feeds.

TL;DR I have my youtube, twitter, feed, etc sent to my email which I consume linearly and efficiently without having to visit literally 50 websites and also don't miss a thing because I didn't check one day.

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