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Re: This website has 81% battery power remaining

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What's your opinion about bootstrap? Unfashionable I get it, but doesn't it serve the purpose?

Bootstrap is unfashionable?

Bootstrap v2 had a LOT of unnecessary features while simultaneously lacking features because of Less limitations. By v5 it was significantly slimmed down if not for removing IE support and jQuery, but also a lot of rarely-used components.

Re: This website has 81% battery power remaining

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Significantly, shifting the image calculations from the server to the client means the work is duplicated for every client. While it saves energy for the server, it increases the overall energy consumption required to deliver the content.

False. Energetic costs of distributing duplicate information is significantly more expensive than local computation. Eg: measuring joules spent for decompression vs transmission is orders of magnitude over the n duplication.

But surely the orders of magnitude thing factors in when you can have orders of magnitude more clients than servers? I think you'd need to run more specific numbers to lean either way on this.

Re: This website has 81% battery power remaining

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a lot of the web would probably be better off if it were

I think so, WordPress that isnt cached to a frozen state on the backend is kind of silly in my eyes, the only exception would be comments, but you could hack around that by using Disqus or something, voila.

You don’t need disqus, you just invalidate the cache and regenerate it for only the next request, serving stale copies until the regen is complete. nginx or varnish can both do that out of the box.

Re: This website has 81% battery power remaining

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While I agree with most of your points, I think that these dithering images use less client-side power than a regular image compression (e.g. JPEG or PNG). The dithered images are smaller (according to them), and I don't see why they would use more CPU per byte to decode than JPEG.

> The dithered images are smaller (according to them), and I don't see why they would use more CPU per byte to decode than JPEG. Just try substituting something else in that statement and see if it makes sense. “The lzma-compressed files are smaller than the raw test files, so opening them in an editor shouldn’t use more cpu” or “HEVC-compressed videos are smaller than DivX videos, so shouldn’t they be more efficient…

The examples you give compare new/good compression (lzma, HVEC) with old/bad compression (uncompressed, DivX). Yes the new/good compression uses more CPU per byte.

I see no reason to believe their website uses a compression scheme that uses more CPU per byte than PNG or JPEG. I don't think they're using anything advanced. Actually I just checked, and their website is using PNG.

Re: This website has 81% battery power remaining

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I hate to be that old foggy but, aren’t websites just getting worse and bloated with JS crap? I’ve had a couple websites I use daily for work just get flashy new interfaces which causes 1/3 to 1/2 second delays in the interface which used to not exist, previously they just had normal page load delays. For example, SalesForce Lightning, their UI overhaul. Old UI is mainly just flat HTML with some loading on fields. Ne…

Genuine question from a not-a-web-developer: Is this not mitigated by minimization tools like webpack?

Webpack is a front-end build toolchain, not a minifier. Usually Terser is used inside of Webpage to minify.

Re: This website has 81% battery power remaining

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Digression: Is it true that every single watt my CPU/server/electronics consume is ultimately turned into heat? To put it another way, does a server under a constant 500W produce the exact same amount of heat as a dumb 500W electric space heater? Excluding things like the tiny amount of energy that gets sent out on CAT5 cables, which I believe still gets turned into heat just elsewhere. I think this is true, but it’s…

> I think this is true, but it’s still counterintuitive. Makes me think there’s something more useful we could make electric space heaters do with their energy and still produce the same amount of heat. Indeed: people have experimented with mining during the winter to recoup electric heating costs, which makes sense but only if you ignore the (expensive and getting more expensive by the day) cost of procuring the ori…

Hardware is a high cost if you're using current gen mining hardware to be competitive. If power is essentially "free" (since you'd use it anyway for heat), then even very old mining hardware would have a net positive benefit for you. It might only be worth a cup of coffee a week, but it is "free" money you can collect...

Re: This website has 81% battery power remaining

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post #152

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How is PV unfit for recycling? It’s pure silicon, with something like Boron on it. Losslessly recycling might be challenge, but you could definitely reuse all the Silicon and remake another panel. Which toxic elements do you mean? What’s the fire hazard?

While solar cells might be almost pure silicon, the panels themselves use a lot more materials to work. For example, 2% of all global copper production was just for panels 2018. The frames and the cells both use aluminum (the actual most abundant material overall). Silver, the most expensive component, has been pushed from about 400mg per panel in 2007 to about 100mg per panel today.[0] Each solar panel contains abou…

The frames of aluminium are obviously directly recyclable. The silicon is also completely recyclable, so you are talking about fractional materials being “wasted” if you apply a zero effort approach of recycling.

Applying a small amount of effort, given you’d need to re-smelt the silicon, all of the materials you mentioned have different melting points (mostly lower than silicon) so you could extract them at the appropriate time as you resmelted the entire product.

I don’t see how this is at all a waste problem, looks like a great recycling opportunity.

Re: This website has 81% battery power remaining

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ICANN should make a .solar extension with the caveat that you have to provide evidence yearly that all IPs mapped by the domain were running on solar power

Why the distinction between solar vs other renewable energy sources?

.waterwheel

.volcanopower

Re: This website has 81% battery power remaining

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post #152

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While solar cells might be almost pure silicon, the panels themselves use a lot more materials to work. For example, 2% of all global copper production was just for panels 2018. The frames and the cells both use aluminum (the actual most abundant material overall). Silver, the most expensive component, has been pushed from about 400mg per panel in 2007 to about 100mg per panel today.[0] Each solar panel contains abou…

The frames of aluminium are obviously directly recyclable. The silicon is also completely recyclable, so you are talking about fractional materials being “wasted” if you apply a zero effort approach of recycling. Applying a small amount of effort, given you’d need to re-smelt the silicon, all of the materials you mentioned have different melting points (mostly lower than silicon) so you could extract them at the appr…

Recycling isn't free. Currently it costs 20-30x more to recycle a panel than to dump it in a landfill. Maybe the aluminum frame, the glass and polymer sheets, and the junction box containing the copper wiring are relatively straightforward to recycle, but it takes much more complicated (see: expensive) machines to get to the smaller parts like the intra-cell wiring and the silicon itself. And the silicon wafers aren't really recyclable. There's some specialized companies that can melt them down to reclaim the silicon cells and various metals within but this takes a lot of energy (and/or chemicals if it's a chemical treatment) and money.

The reason solar panels are hard to recycle isn't really because of their materials. The hardest part is separating all those materials, which all have their own unique recycling needs.

The EU requires solar recycling; Japan, India, and Australia have some minimal regulation around it; but in the US it's the wild west (except in Washington). Which means there's almost no recycling infrastructure in the US

All of this is the reason recycling a solar panel is so much more expensive than dumping it right now. Regulation will definitely help, but getting to the point where it's economically feasible to recycle them will require technology that hasn't actually been developed (yet, hopefully).

Some readings:

[0] https://grist.org/energy/solar-panels-are-starting-to-die-wh...

[1] https://news.energysage.com/recycling-solar-panels/

[2] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342671383_Metal_dis...

Re: This website has 81% battery power remaining

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I strongly believe that the efficiency of an API is 1% down to the language it's coded in, and 99% down to who coded it.

I think that’s true if you take a no dependencies approach but as soon as you tap into the ecosystem the argument is lost.

Not really. It still depends on who coded it. It's just that there's more people involved now.
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