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Post by rhizome »

BoorishBears wrote: post #126
rhizome wrote: post #91

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> Frankly I don't get why this can't be seen as a legitimate very successful business. This is going to sound glib, but I honestly think it's because Pinterest hasn't been able to create a comparable (or even marginally similar) business model for its users to capitalize on. Seriously, why isn't Pinterest a big shopping destination? The answer to that will tell us a lot about attitudes toward influencers and e-stars.

Because to do that it'd become YouTube? No one cares about a shopping list of pictures, people want engagement with a Real Human™ if they're going to spend their cash on a recommendation So Pinterest would have to pivot to a niche video site, which is not exactly an easy thing to sustain

OK, so what's involved for a YouTube maker to allow their viewers to single-click something that takes them to a payment page for an item in the video? Is that even a thing that is possible? Didn't YouTube remove the ability for videomakers to add clickable hotspots to their videos?

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Post by handrous »

wiseowise wrote: post #280
handrous wrote: post #15

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> What kind of lifestyle there’s that allows the consumption of full day long content? Kids. Adults without kids.

> Adults without kids. What an ignorant thing to say. Apparently having no kids==nothing to do except for consume full day long content.

> allows

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Post by gnopgnip »

unbanned wrote: post #256
gnopgnip wrote: post #128

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The economy is not a zero sum game.

Elaborate

The output is not fixed. An economic system with a different distribution of resources, or different taxes and import restrictions can have a better outcome, or more economic output

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Post by skinnymuch »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #238
skinnymuch wrote: post #231

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Why would this group of people have higher IQs than mainstream athletes? Why would higher IQ lead to better personal finance and budgeting? I’d think you childhood/background and your current environment would be the biggest factors. Some mainstream athletes may feel the need to flex. So they may spend extra money. There’s also generally certain rituals or going with the crowd that means spending more money. It feels…

>Why would this group of people have higher IQs than mainstream athletes? Though I disagree with the posters theory that twitch gamers are less susceptible to blowing their fortune than athletes, the fact that their job doesn't come with a high risk of head trauma is a reason they may be smarter.

Does this factor in with basketball, soccer (futbol), tennis, And many other sports?

Also, just my personal opinion. I’d rather make $10M over my 20s with some head trauma than have to slave away as a random cog employee. I know people can delude themselves into believing they aren’t. Some believe their work matters a lot. I doubt many would do the same work id they had millions in savings though.

This doesn’t make streamers any smarter to me. This posits that streamers would not be streamers if streaming entailed the same risk of head trauma as the NFL and hockey. I personally believe people would want the game and money so they’d still do it.

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Post by skinnymuch »

strken wrote: post #257
skinnymuch wrote: post #231

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Why would this group of people have higher IQs than mainstream athletes? Why would higher IQ lead to better personal finance and budgeting? I’d think you childhood/background and your current environment would be the biggest factors. Some mainstream athletes may feel the need to flex. So they may spend extra money. There’s also generally certain rituals or going with the crowd that means spending more money. It feels…

All highly paid celebrities without managers, including many streamers, are effectively running marketing and PR campaigns for million-dollar brands. It's quite believable to me that the job would select for higher intelligence, or at least better cash flow management, than being an athlete who plays a team sport.

Your wording makes what streamers and other influencers have to do without managers as much harder and serious than it is.

Celebrity is already pushing it. In the scale of fame, someone doing all the work themselves likely is pretty down the list in terms of celebrity.

Many celebs without managers don’t need to do much marketing and PR for their brand. There’s countless YouTube or IG etc accounts with millions of subscribers that don’t have a concerted marketing and especially not PR campaign going on.

Many, possibly most, sports players do not have managers. Most have agents only.

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For cash flow. Leagues like the NBA and NFL have become more serious with helping out and making sure the players manage money better. Still a long way to go.

Overall, I don’t see any reason why streamers and online celebs would have higher intelligence. The reasons people are giving appear to be biased toward giving credence to tech white collar work.

Look at the number of online influencers peddling all sorts of scummy NFT and crypto stuff. If their PR was so important, these online celebs would have had to do major damage control. They largely haven’t. If at all. This makes it seem like there’s much less serious pressure and real stakes at play for online celebs. There’s other various things online celebs have done and continue to do that just is not done by the vast vast majority of athletes. The ones that do behave like divas are ostracized. This isn’t the case with online celebs.

I don’t think either selects for higher intelligence.

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Post by skinnymuch »

varelse wrote: post #296
skinnymuch wrote: post #229

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I’m familiar with two women doing financial domination stuff. One of them is fully PG-13. It’s interesting there are still certain niches where you don’t have to go past R rates stuff and can bring in mid 5 figures or higher.

The sad part is that's only bringing in mid-5 figures which makes me think that findom is an efficient market and I await the Harvard Business Review case study of it with baited breath.

I was specifically speaking to PG-13-ish ones. Once you go nude and other elements go farther, the money presumably goes up a lot.

Hard to get accurate numbers for a lot of online hustle industries. There’s a lot of grandstanding, exaggerating, or laying really low about finances. Like say affiliate marketers or SEO people.

> I await the Harvard Business Review case study of it with baited breath.

Haha!

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Post by boomboomsubban »

skinnymuch wrote: post #314
boomboomsubban wrote: post #238

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>Why would this group of people have higher IQs than mainstream athletes? Though I disagree with the posters theory that twitch gamers are less susceptible to blowing their fortune than athletes, the fact that their job doesn't come with a high risk of head trauma is a reason they may be smarter.

Does this factor in with basketball, soccer (futbol), tennis, And many other sports? Also, just my personal opinion. I’d rather make $10M over my 20s with some head trauma than have to slave away as a random cog employee. I know people can delude themselves into believing they aren’t. Some believe their work matters a lot. I doubt many would do the same work id they had millions in savings though. This doesn’t make s…

>Does this factor in with basketball, soccer (futbol), tennis, And many other sports?

My understanding is that though most of those sports have a lower rate of head trauma than football or hockey, they still have a far higher rate of head trauma than the general public. To the point where I doubt many professional soccer or basketball players haven't had at least one concussion like event from the sport.

If I were guaranteed $10m for a concussion I'd take that deal in a second. Having a high chance of a concussion for a very low chance of $10m is a different matter.

I only see streamers as smarter as their low chance of millions doesn't have the associated risk of head trauma, though I agree that it's unlikely anybody is picking their long shot based on the potential injury.

edit read your other reply and can sum up or difference in opinions easily.

>I don’t think either selects for higher intelligence

Neither do I, but I think the process for athletes has more of a negative effect on intelligence than streaming does. Purely due to injuries.

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Post by corobo »

wpietri wrote: post #293
corobo wrote: post #284

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Sitting at a computer interacting with a non-red HAL9000 and IRC is not the same as interacting with directors, producers, other actors.. people There are more people in acting than the audience POV: you're a streamer interacting with the audience https://cdn.imgy.org/j6km.jpg (chat unrelated, I just picked the one in my follows that would fill the screen quickest) idk it just doesn't feel social to me at all, never…

Sorry, I'm not getting it. Are you a successful streamer and are offering your own experience as evidence? Or are you a non-streamer just giving your general take? You make my point with that screenshot. The chat isn't unrelated. The chat is primary. The streamers I talked to and the streaming I've watched is a performance for an audience. It's way more interactive than most live theater, even the stuff with audience…

> Are you a successful streamer and are offering your own experience as evidence? Or are you a non-streamer just giving your general take?

Given the two options I'm a non-streamer giving my general take.

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Post by skinnymuch »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #317
skinnymuch wrote: post #314

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Does this factor in with basketball, soccer (futbol), tennis, And many other sports? Also, just my personal opinion. I’d rather make $10M over my 20s with some head trauma than have to slave away as a random cog employee. I know people can delude themselves into believing they aren’t. Some believe their work matters a lot. I doubt many would do the same work id they had millions in savings though. This doesn’t make s…

>Does this factor in with basketball, soccer (futbol), tennis, And many other sports? My understanding is that though most of those sports have a lower rate of head trauma than football or hockey, they still have a far higher rate of head trauma than the general public. To the point where I doubt many professional soccer or basketball players haven't had at least one concussion like event from the sport. If I were gu…

Yeah agreed. So agreeing all around hah.

What do you think about the possibility of athletes are not sitting at a desk in front of their computer screen 10 hours a day like streamers? I’m generalizing with the numbers :). Instead they are exercising? That has to count for something, no? Maybe a few streamers are doing treadmill desks but I’d think that will always remain incredibly rare. Standing desks may be used a little more but I don’t know.

I understand streamers can exercise in their own time. It is debatable if exercising for an isolated one hour a day is any where close to the same as regular fitness.

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Post by boomboomsubban »

skinnymuch wrote: post #319
boomboomsubban wrote: post #317

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>Does this factor in with basketball, soccer (futbol), tennis, And many other sports? My understanding is that though most of those sports have a lower rate of head trauma than football or hockey, they still have a far higher rate of head trauma than the general public. To the point where I doubt many professional soccer or basketball players haven't had at least one concussion like event from the sport. If I were gu…

Yeah agreed. So agreeing all around hah. What do you think about the possibility of athletes are not sitting at a desk in front of their computer screen 10 hours a day like streamers? I’m generalizing with the numbers :). Instead they are exercising? That has to count for something, no? Maybe a few streamers are doing treadmill desks but I’d think that will always remain incredibly rare. Standing desks may be used a…

General unhealthiness is probably common with streamers but though it may decrease their expected life span, but it's nowhere near as permanently hazardous as what head injuries can do to a person. Additionally, they just aren't dedicating enough free time to taking care of themselves while athletes need to put themselves in danger for part of their sport.

And as a related aside, I think many of the actual esports teams have realized the importance of health for competitions and devote a fair amount of time to it.

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