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Wow. I didn’t know this, but I was actually able to observe this state on myself. When going to sleep, my mind is wandering. But at one point it drifts from real world thoughts to completely abstract concepts and wild imagination that sometimes makes no sense. It’s almost like a hallucination. What’s most interesting is that sometimes I am able to notice the transition to this state and consciously observe it. Usuall…

I used to be able to do this thing to where if I kept perfectly still, I'd "stare" (with eyes closed) into the nothingness---by that I mean I'd be staring into the backs of my eyelids---and there'd be a point in which my mind would start to create images. For instance, the shape would take the form of a fish, and then I'd see it become a radio, etc. If I held on and tried this for as long as possible, I'd feel my bod…

> I used to be able to do this thing to where if I kept perfectly still, I'd "stare" (with eyes closed) into the nothingness---by that I mean I'd be staring into the backs of my eyelids---and there'd be a point in which my mind would start to create images. For instance, the shape would take the form of a fish, and then I'd see it become a radio, etc.

> If I held on and tried this for as long as possible, I'd feel my body drift off to sleep. But it was hard, because there'd be something in me that would jerk and stop the imagery (like a hypnic jerk, just nowhere near as uncomfortable).

I do the same thing, though the more mental effort put into creating the images makes it take longer before I'm able to fall asleep. There's a sweet spot of putting the smallest mental effort to go to sleep quickly.

I usually use it as a crutch when I can't just let my mind drift.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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This “hold an object while falling asleep” technique sounds very similar to a technique I read about maybe 15 years ago at an avant-garde sleep away arts camp. It was in the context of lucid dreaming and not increasing creativity, though.

That technique didn’t involve holding an object, but going to sleep with your elbow against the floor/bed and your forearm raised. When you started to fall asleep your arm would fall and wake you up as it hit the floor/bed.

It also suggesting sleeping with your head facing north, but that part seems less scientific to me. Nevertheless, very interesting how this came back around.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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not before misclicking a few likes or ads

Or sending out a tweet about covfefe.

I had never heard of covfefe before, that's a funny read on Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covfefe). Thanks for that one.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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FWIW, I've found it easier to lie on my back in bed and hold a chopstick just over my nose or forehead. Thumb has to be under the chopstick, fingers over (a normal grip can freeze the stick in place.) After a while I shifted to using a slightly larger penny whistle, actually.

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Fo real?

> Luckily for Einstein, he also took regular naps. According to apocryphal legend, to make sure he didn’t overdo it he’d recline in his armchair with a spoon in his hand and a metal plate directly beneath. He’d allow himself to drift off for a second, then – bam! – the spoon would fall from his hand and the sound of it hitting the plate would wake him up https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20170612-what-you-can-lea...

Wow, I didn't know this technique was so widespread. Thank you for the source!

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Anecdote: I distinctly remember being on the edge of sleep writing a song one night in 2019. I was about to fall asleep on the floor with a notebook in my hand, and just at that moment, the music came into my mind. For whatever reason, I was able to stay awake and flesh it out as a recording. After reflecting on it the next day I realised I had written an acoustic fingerstyle piece that moved across keys as if there…

I love music and I’ve attempted music making at various points in my life, but I’m just not great at it. I don’t have the imagination to plan and layer out the interesting bits that make a good song. But my near-sleeping mind is totally able to do that. And this is at least a semi-conscious process, where I’m able to direct the music as it’s being “played” in my mind. As I said, I’m very much an amateur, so I wouldn’…

Yes, I've had this exact experience. I only wish I had the skill to transcribe what played in my head while I was in this state.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Anecdote: I distinctly remember being on the edge of sleep writing a song one night in 2019. I was about to fall asleep on the floor with a notebook in my hand, and just at that moment, the music came into my mind. For whatever reason, I was able to stay awake and flesh it out as a recording. After reflecting on it the next day I realised I had written an acoustic fingerstyle piece that moved across keys as if there…

Perhaps this is the why so many of the 60's and 70's psychedelic rock songs are so enchanting and beautiful. They were under the influence of psychedelic drugs which may induce this state while awake.

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I had a really similar experience during college. I was trying to display a binary tree in the command line. I was not able to solve it while awake. I went to bed with that problem in my mind. Then I dreamt the solution. I woke up and the dream made sense. I couldn’t believe it so I tried in the code and it worked! That was a surreal experience.

Ah.. We need to campaign for siestas in the office. Productivity really goes up after a nap I think. Mexicans were known to do this.

Some Google offices have employee nap pods. Or at least they did in 2015.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Wow. I didn’t know this, but I was actually able to observe this state on myself. When going to sleep, my mind is wandering. But at one point it drifts from real world thoughts to completely abstract concepts and wild imagination that sometimes makes no sense. It’s almost like a hallucination. What’s most interesting is that sometimes I am able to notice the transition to this state and consciously observe it. Usuall…

Something that happened a few times to me during this transitional state is “hearing” (more like hallucinating) music that I was singing in my mind while still awake. Except much clearer and vivid than ever before. I think that since the ordinary hearing function was just shutting itself off, the conscious brain could experience only its memory of the song and did it intensely so. It lasted a couple of seconds only,…

Something similar happens only when sitting on the couch and watching something on the TV.

If i am tired enough, then i can fall asleep, but am somehow also able to hear myself snoring.

Dreams do not happen in this state.

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