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Re: This website has 81% battery power remaining

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Post by jcoder »

obblekk wrote: post #168

*Technically*, this is very cool, impressive, and generally an elegant work of art. *Pragmatically*, I see 2 flaws in their thesis (as explained on the about page): >> "The entire network already consumes 10% of global electricity production with traffic doubling roughly every 2 years" I think the implication is electricity consumption will also double roughly every 2 years, but Moore's law actually operates on appro…

I thought Moore’s Law is about the density of components on an IC—what about it suggests a constant energy usage of IC as it gets denser?

Re: This website has 81% battery power remaining

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Post by hutzlibu »

mro_name wrote: post #44
Beached wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's gotten out of hand imo. page load times take longer than when I was browsing the web on dialup in many cases.

Website Obesity crisis going on and on: https://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm Was here on HN several times, sadly still the case.

"I don't care about bloat because it's inefficient. I care about it because it makes the web inaccessible.

Keeping the Web simple keeps it awesome. "

Re: This website has 81% battery power remaining

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Post by unionpivo »

RussianCow wrote: post #113
Nextgrid wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast majority of sites don't need to be dynamic though.

[citation needed] Websites have become significantly more complex in the last two decades.

Really ?

Take for instance news sites or blogs: When I read news article, what I want is mostly (there are some great interactive infographics, but those are tiny minority) text and few images, that are static.

And it's not like that as a consumer I get anything extra. The text and images are still static, for the most part. Except that now its makes 20 separate requests to load it all up. Hell, pages are usually even less dynamic, after comments fell out of favor.

What increased is number of extra stuff, that is mostly focused on selling me stuff, tracking every metrics possible, and trying to figure out somne clickbait I would click next for extra engagement.

But that's not content, content has largely stayed the same.

Re: This website has 81% battery power remaining

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Post by Smithalicious »

jcoder wrote: post #211
obblekk wrote: post #168

*Technically*, this is very cool, impressive, and generally an elegant work of art. *Pragmatically*, I see 2 flaws in their thesis (as explained on the about page): >> "The entire network already consumes 10% of global electricity production with traffic doubling roughly every 2 years" I think the implication is electricity consumption will also double roughly every 2 years, but Moore's law actually operates on appro…

I thought Moore’s Law is about the density of components on an IC—what about it suggests a constant energy usage of IC as it gets denser?

I believe ICs are limited by how fast you can cool them. All that energy goes into heat eventually, so temperature is going to depend only on total energy / area

Re: This website has 81% battery power remaining

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Post by jolux »

r-w wrote: post #190
jolux wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is Apple way ahead or is it just less popular? They're definitely solving a narrower problem but they do appear to have it solved. Is there even a subset of hardware configurations for which this is the case with Linux? (if there is I would love to know about it)

> Is there even a subset of hardware configurations for which this is the case with Linux? That's not how cross-platform, cross-application software works. Linux is used for everything. Every other change for power efficiency will get balanced out by another change for raw performance.

Well sure but there are vendors that advertise Linux computers.

Re: This website has 81% battery power remaining

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Post by crazypython »

obblekk wrote: post #168

*Technically*, this is very cool, impressive, and generally an elegant work of art. *Pragmatically*, I see 2 flaws in their thesis (as explained on the about page): >> "The entire network already consumes 10% of global electricity production with traffic doubling roughly every 2 years" I think the implication is electricity consumption will also double roughly every 2 years, but Moore's law actually operates on appro…

Don't forget the reduced bandwidth usage- the energy used to transport the data across the entire internet.

Re: This website has 81% battery power remaining

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Post by calebwinston »

marricks wrote: post #32
widdakay wrote: post #11

I think this also shows how inefficient modern website hosting is. The fact that this person was able to get a raspberry pi to host the #1 website on HN powered by a small 50 watt solar panel is very cool (meaning maybe 10w average power budget), but also shouldn't be as uncommon as it is today. To put this in perspective, a modern server uses 50-100 watts idle doing nothing, and many more under load. To handle the t…

I hate to be that old foggy but, aren’t websites just getting worse and bloated with JS crap? I’ve had a couple websites I use daily for work just get flashy new interfaces which causes 1/3 to 1/2 second delays in the interface which used to not exist, previously they just had normal page load delays. For example, SalesForce Lightning, their UI overhaul. Old UI is mainly just flat HTML with some loading on fields. Ne…

Genuine question from a not-a-web-developer: Is this not mitigated by minimization tools like webpack?

Re: This website has 81% battery power remaining

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Post by carlio »

obblekk wrote: post #168

*Technically*, this is very cool, impressive, and generally an elegant work of art. *Pragmatically*, I see 2 flaws in their thesis (as explained on the about page): >> "The entire network already consumes 10% of global electricity production with traffic doubling roughly every 2 years" I think the implication is electricity consumption will also double roughly every 2 years, but Moore's law actually operates on appro…

Significantly, shifting the image calculations from the server to the client means the work is duplicated for every client. While it saves energy for the server, it increases the overall energy consumption required to deliver the content.
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