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Re: Ask HN: How do I create a social movement to change the world?

#21
It might be worth reviewing this essay from aaronsw: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/theoryofchange

Mainly because calls to action are often about whipping up passion about an issue, without often doing the work to identify the actions that would actually be productive.

Re: Ask HN: How do I create a social movement to change the world?

#22
post #12

The problem is hundreds of years old, Tolstoy wrote about it, he was an advocate for Georgism, and there’s also the board game monopoly. Has anyone succeeded anywhere at any time at making housing affordable for the plebs?

What was home ownership like in the US prior to the 1900's? Rural areas were farms that people owned and maintained, and repaired, if possible, with the help of neighbors. In urban areas only the wealthy owned homes, and it was very much landlords and boarding houses. It wasn't until post WW2 when freeways appeared and the suburban boom + baby boom that people actually started owning houses en-masse. I fear that we are boomeranging back to the urban landlord / renter model because now all of the suburbs have been bought up as investments. (A couple I'm friends with owns 13 houses; they've been buying them since the 1990's, fixing them up, and renting them. It's crazy, fortunately they are nice people.)

So to answer your question, there was a brief period in American history for about 50 years where housing was affordable (1945-1995) then shit just went sideways. But it required massive investment from the government (freeways & GI bill). To return to this would require massive, complicated legislation; or some simple push that collapses the housing market as an investment strategy. Maybe higher interest rates. Maybe killing the mortgage deduction. Maybe an inheritance tax with teeth.

Re: Ask HN: How do I create a social movement to change the world?

#23
post #11

The social movement you want is called marxism - a highly efficient framework to use a divide a society to your benefit. In your case, it's the divide between those who have homes and those who don't.

There’s capitalist solutions. Current Australian policy incentivises rent seeking, so simply stopping that would alleviate the problem slightly.

Re: Ask HN: How do I create a social movement to change the world?

#25
Unrelated, too afraid too ask. But regarding house prices. I think housing prices are just the way it is? Or I am just not understanding a few things.

More people want to live more in cities (due to access to society’s benefits and jobs) then housing prices will rise. This seems normal to me? I.e more people means more competition means price will rise.

If someone wants cheap house, they can just move far to the suburbs and work there or commute to the city.

Am I mistaken to think that there is no inherent problem in rising house prices? It is just the way it is and it happens everywhere even in 3rd world countries.

Re: Ask HN: How do I create a social movement to change the world?

#26
I read through the replies here, and as expected, none of them have an actual solution to this problem; which is to be expected, since this is a geek website where none of these people understand markets or economics, (and only half understand computers), so you're asking the wrong crowd.

The actual answer is: do nothing at all. Simply sit back and wait for one year. I promise you, the problem will solve itself.

It's called a Housing Market Bubble, and the thing about bubbles is, they pop--taking down millions of smug, clueless 'investors' with them. Happens on a regular cycle, like clockwork. Nobody ever learns anything.

This bubble is a particularly nasty one that will wipe out tons of idiots, both the deserving and nondeserving kind, sadly.

Oh, I did forget one small preparation you can make: load up on popcorn. Lots of popcorn.

This is the final, definitive answer. Print it and hang it on your fridge.

Sincerely, your worthless (according to HN) hillbilly friend in Alabama.

Re: Ask HN: How do I create a social movement to change the world?

#30
In Australia, the vast majority of people own their homes.

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/australias-welfare/home-owne...

There’s a very similar group to yours in Canada called /r/canadahousing. They made a lot of noise, but in the end were a flash in the pan movement that didn’t change anything.

Why? Because in Canada the vast majority of people own their homes. What you call a crisis was actually also massive middle class surge in wealth.

Basically if you want change here, you must address housing challenges in a way that doesn’t impact middle-class wealth.

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