Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV

Post by mcot2 » Sun, Dec 12, 2021, 6:19 PM UTC

Jxl180 wrote: post #70

mcot2 wrote: post #57

Actual user of the beta here. Happy to answer any questions that are honest. My opinion is let the technology develop in the open, warts and all.

My delivery isn’t until June but I’ve held off on buying FSD (maybe I’ll enable it for the month when I do a long trip), but I’m worried about this fantom braking issue I’ve heard about.

Post by NikolaeVarius » Sun, Dec 12, 2021, 6:21 PM UTC

tqi wrote: post #91

mcot2 wrote: post #57

Actual user of the beta here. Happy to answer any questions that are honest. My opinion is let the technology develop in the open, warts and all.

As someone who shares a road with Teslas, it feels like I have been enrolled in this beta without my consent, and without any tangible benefits to me. What are the arguments for why non-owners should support this approach?

Post by mcot2 » Sun, Dec 12, 2021, 6:22 PM UTC

halotrope wrote: post #72

mcot2 wrote: post #57

Actual user of the beta here. Happy to answer any questions that are honest. My opinion is let the technology develop in the open, warts and all.

Does it work?

Post by ec109685 » Sun, Dec 12, 2021, 6:25 PM UTC

intrasight wrote: post #58

mygoodaccount wrote: post #20

Slightly off topic, but it's fun to see company culture reflected in the algorithm behaviour. There are thousands of clips of Tesla's Fatal Self Driving being far too aggressive for American roads ( https://nitter.net/taylorogan/status/1469404579439824899 ). Meanwhile, companies like AutoX have the problem of being far too conservative for Asian roads ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=TFEvkmvIjVo ). AutoX…

This I've long thought the be the Achilles' heel of autonomous. Even skilled human drivers have a hard time calibrating their style to the local situation. I remember the first time I drove as a passenger through Manhattan with my father driving, and couldn't get my head around his change in driving style. Was a side of him I'd never seen before - driving aggressively like a cab driver. I'm sure it came from his year…

Post by mcot2 » Sun, Dec 12, 2021, 6:27 PM UTC

protoax wrote: post #104

mcot2 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I don’t view it that way as an actual user of the system. I know I am still in full control of the vehicle as is any driver using it. Merely tapping the brakes is hardwired to return control to the driver. The system also has many controls to montior driver attentivness and alert or disable itself if the driver is not attentive. Recently folks have been kicked out of the beta program for lots of reasons so th…

Just because you can make steering, braking, and acceleration changes to the car does not mean you are “in control”. The software makes such aggressive decisions that it can become impossible to react, causing massive additional danger to others, such as was the case in the recent crash. https://twitter.com/mostlyharmlessz/status/14694217625553510...