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Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV

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Re: Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV

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Post by mcot2 »

TigeriusKirk wrote: post #62
mcot2 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is. Tapping the brake pedal.

I believe Tesla testing FSD on open roads is probably going to cost lives. I think they're aware of the game they're playing and they're taking more risks than is responsible. I also believe the driver in that video doesn't have the level-headedness to be testing anything anywhere. Which is a criticism both of the driver and of Tesla for letting people like that run the software on the open road.

I think it is a calculated risk to get to autonomy faster and thus save lives.

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Post by brewdad »

staunch wrote: post #22

I'm a big fan of Tesla but I'm fairly certain that, at some point, they're going to voluntarily refund everyone the money they paid for self-driving. And, at some later point, they will probably make self-driving work but on a future generation of HW/SW. Genuine question: if this happens, will it kill Tesla to refund all of this money? I don't pay close enough attention to their financials to know myself. I assume (a…

I have seen nothing in Elon Musk's public persona to suggest he would ever voluntarily refund FSD beta fees. He might "voluntarily" do so under enough government pressure but he seems more likely to thumb his nose at regulators and take his chances on losing a class-action suit.

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Post by mcot2 »

landa wrote: post #50
mcot2 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is. Tapping the brake pedal.

Exactly. If you press the brakes the system gives complete control back to the driver. It's interesting to see all of the comments about the "horrifying" experiments Tesla is doing, and quoting science fiction movies about how robots are going to murder you. So much sensationalism.

The FUD is unreal.

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Post by qbasic_forever »

mcot2 wrote: post #57

Actual user of the beta here. Happy to answer any questions that are honest. My opinion is let the technology develop in the open, warts and all.

Would you trust it to drive your mother or a loved one across the country with zero assistance or interventions?

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Post by ModernMech »

gadnuk wrote: post #2

As they should, from all agencies involved. It is absolutely horrifying to see Tesla do this open beta test on public roads when no other non-Tesla entities (other cars, pedestrians, motorcyclists, bicyclists, etc) consented to being a part of a reckless experiment. Moreover, Tesla influencers on social media tend to cherry pick and show only the nicer parts of their FSD Beta drives where no incidents and disengageme…

> https://mobile.twitter.com/taylorogan/status/146940457943982...

> He wants to make people believe in the illusion that Tesla are in some unsurmountable lead when it comes to autonomy but they are actually playing catchup and are dead last because of the approach they took.

I'm sorry, but yeah, the results in that video are worse than what we had 14 years ago after the DARPA Urban Challenge. I'm actually astounded how bad it is. An insurmountable lead this is not, and points to how much of an advantage LIDAR is.

Also, while we all have our robot failure blooper reels, this is a system that's live and in production, and Tesla should be ashamed to release this even under the "Beta" label.

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Post by m4nu3l »

brewdad wrote: post #63
m4nu3l wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be curious to know what definition of edge-case you are using. I think self-driving can't be entirely about edge-cases by definition (of edge-case).

Sure 99% of driving is pointing the car straight, keeping it between the lines and avoiding the car in front of you. That's easy and has been essentially solved by dozens of car makers. The "edge" cases are pretty much everything else. There are a near infinite number of possibilities here and it is clear that no one is anywhere near close enough to covering them all. Stopping for a pedestrian when turning right is n…

I get it. However what matters the most in my view is the long term ratio of serious accidents in self-driving vs human driving. There is no need to cover all possibilities for that, right? The only problem with Tesla is IMHO that the name FSD is misleading.

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Post by cybernautique »

jondwillis wrote: post #36
dbsmith83 wrote: post #13

> ...cited the apparent poor performance of what Tesla calls Full Self-Driving beta, a $10,000 option that gives owners advanced automated driving features and allows them to test cutting-edge autonomous technologies on public roads. (Beta is a software term that describes a product not quite ready for general sale to the public.) Wait, does this mean people are actually paying extra money to become test dummies for…

yes. and also giving a whole lot of driving data to tesla for use in their insurance program and obviously to train their AI. i’m one of them AMA

What are the use cases and often how do you use it? (reposting to everyone who says they're open to questions)

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Post by bantunes »

mcot2 wrote: post #57

Actual user of the beta here. Happy to answer any questions that are honest. My opinion is let the technology develop in the open, warts and all.

Doesn't "warts and all" for developing self-driving tech mean people dying?

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Post by cybernautique »

dbsmith83 wrote: post #13

> ...cited the apparent poor performance of what Tesla calls Full Self-Driving beta, a $10,000 option that gives owners advanced automated driving features and allows them to test cutting-edge autonomous technologies on public roads. (Beta is a software term that describes a product not quite ready for general sale to the public.) Wait, does this mean people are actually paying extra money to become test dummies for…

What are the use cases and often how do you use it? (reposting to everyone who says they're open to questions)
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