Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV
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Re: Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV
#2As they should, from all agencies involved. It is absolutely horrifying to see Tesla do this open beta test on public roads when no other non-Tesla entities (other cars, pedestrians, motorcyclists, bicyclists, etc) consented to being a part of a reckless experiment.
Moreover, Tesla influencers on social media tend to cherry pick and show only the nicer parts of their FSD Beta drives where no incidents and disengagements occur. Whereas you will often see in the comments some Beta users disagreeing and often showing the scary bits. And of course the pattern of Tesla influencers acting like an echo chamber absolutely disagreeing with anything critical of Tesla, jumping to Musk's defense at every turn because..."My mission!". An example:
https://mobile.twitter.com/taylorogan/status/146940457943982...
A thread of the scariness of this Beta test on public roads:
https://twitter.com/Tweet_Removed/status/1438553523369615364...
Elon Musk has a history of overestimating Tesla's capabilities when it comes to autonomy. And also flouting regulations to reach the end goal. He wants to make people believe in the illusion that Tesla are in some unsurmountable lead when it comes to autonomy but they are actually playing catchup and are dead last because of the approach they took.
Here's a timeline of Musk dangling the carrot of full autonomy (SAE Level 5) for over 6 years now.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/comments/n6nsmt/elo...
But people argue, "Oh, but they are getting better and eventually will iron out all the edge cases!". This is not a matter of just making some settings change and things magically fix themselves. These are safety critical systems and not considering edge cases while advertising the feature as "Full Self-Driving" can lead to fatalities. The edge cases don't seem to be finite and no amount of "Dojo will solve this!", "The system is learning more and more and will reach there!" will solve the problem with their approach. At some point, he will have to eat humble pie and incorporate more sensors to increase safety. But with the ongoing chip shortage and the fact that they have to sell as many cars as possible lest the stock promotion crumbles makes it an even harder task.
It's always some next version that will blow your mind. It's always the next version that's almost there.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1435967157662150675?s=20
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1469541536128020485?s=20
Re: Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV
#3As they should, from all agencies involved. It is absolutely horrifying to see Tesla do this open beta test on public roads when no other non-Tesla entities (other cars, pedestrians, motorcyclists, bicyclists, etc) consented to being a part of a reckless experiment. Moreover, Tesla influencers on social media tend to cherry pick and show only the nicer parts of their FSD Beta drives where no incidents and disengageme…
Thank you for providing the video, the situation is appalling.
Re: Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV
#4As they should, from all agencies involved. It is absolutely horrifying to see Tesla do this open beta test on public roads when no other non-Tesla entities (other cars, pedestrians, motorcyclists, bicyclists, etc) consented to being a part of a reckless experiment. Moreover, Tesla influencers on social media tend to cherry pick and show only the nicer parts of their FSD Beta drives where no incidents and disengageme…
> https://mobile.twitter.com/taylorogan/status/146940457943982...
Damn, the part where he tried to take over and the car wouldn't let him for a while, was downright scary
Reminds me of a famous quote...
> "I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that."
I fell like there should be a hardware way of taking over that overwrites anything the software does.
Re: Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV
#5As they should, from all agencies involved. It is absolutely horrifying to see Tesla do this open beta test on public roads when no other non-Tesla entities (other cars, pedestrians, motorcyclists, bicyclists, etc) consented to being a part of a reckless experiment. Moreover, Tesla influencers on social media tend to cherry pick and show only the nicer parts of their FSD Beta drives where no incidents and disengageme…
The problem is that self-driving is almost entirely about edge-cases. And machine learning can optimistically only reach about 99% accuracy, so that last 1% of edge cases is where the real problem lies.
Re: Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV
#6As they should, from all agencies involved. It is absolutely horrifying to see Tesla do this open beta test on public roads when no other non-Tesla entities (other cars, pedestrians, motorcyclists, bicyclists, etc) consented to being a part of a reckless experiment. Moreover, Tesla influencers on social media tend to cherry pick and show only the nicer parts of their FSD Beta drives where no incidents and disengageme…
There is the argument that they are already safer than human drivers though and it'd be morally objectionable to stop. Not saying I'm completely on that side, but it is a valid utilitarian argument.
Re: Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV
#7As they should, from all agencies involved. It is absolutely horrifying to see Tesla do this open beta test on public roads when no other non-Tesla entities (other cars, pedestrians, motorcyclists, bicyclists, etc) consented to being a part of a reckless experiment. Moreover, Tesla influencers on social media tend to cherry pick and show only the nicer parts of their FSD Beta drives where no incidents and disengageme…
The problem is that self-driving is almost entirely about edge-cases. And machine learning can optimistically only reach about 99% accuracy, so that last 1% of edge cases is where the real problem lies.
Yeah, but the issues the Tesla seems to have in the video above (pedestrians crossing, rail tracks, bus lanes, parked UPS trucks) are hardly 1% edge cases, but common occurrences that are in every city.
And it wasn't even rush hour through some crowded European city like Rome with people on scooters zooming in every directions, in poor weather conditions at night, it was broad daylight in a city with barely any traffic.
If it can't handle basic city driving properly, then I'm sorry.
Re: Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV
#8No wonder Tesla is leaving California, over and over again you see corruption and government control taking over inovation.
Re: Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV
#9As they should, from all agencies involved. It is absolutely horrifying to see Tesla do this open beta test on public roads when no other non-Tesla entities (other cars, pedestrians, motorcyclists, bicyclists, etc) consented to being a part of a reckless experiment. Moreover, Tesla influencers on social media tend to cherry pick and show only the nicer parts of their FSD Beta drives where no incidents and disengageme…
There is the argument that they are already safer than human drivers though and it'd be morally objectionable to stop. Not saying I'm completely on that side, but it is a valid utilitarian argument.
The hard part is in the city. It is probably already a lot safer on the highways.
Re: Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV
#10As they should, from all agencies involved. It is absolutely horrifying to see Tesla do this open beta test on public roads when no other non-Tesla entities (other cars, pedestrians, motorcyclists, bicyclists, etc) consented to being a part of a reckless experiment. Moreover, Tesla influencers on social media tend to cherry pick and show only the nicer parts of their FSD Beta drives where no incidents and disengageme…
As someone who is actively participating in the beta you couldn’t be more off base in your assertions. It sucks to see progress stifled by people that have no idea what they are talking about. With the thousands of people actively using the FSD Beta safely, show me significant evidence of an increased level of accidents that have occured. You can’t because the evidence does not exist.