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The Internet Has a Rat Poison Problem

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Re: The Internet Has a Rat Poison Problem

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Post by notacoward »

giantg2 wrote: post #62

Is there really any benefit to poison? There're variety of effective traps. At least with traps you know where the dead (or live) rat is and it's not going to cause problems like dying behind a wall or something.

Poison is convenient. For one thing, it's effective even without any effort or skill. Setting an old-fashioned trap is not hard, but it does take a bit of practice to get the sensitivity just right. I've known lots of people who set theirs so that they wouldn't trigger for anything smaller than a capybara, watched their bait get stolen a couple of times, and then gave up. Also, the very same feature of knowing whether you caught something also means you have to see it and dispose of it. I have no problem with any of this, but many people do. Usually they only find out about poison's down sides when it's too late.

BTW some of the older poisons advertised that victims would actively seek to get outside before they died, which would avoid the "died in the wall" problem. Such claims might or might not have been true, but people continue to believe that for all poisons.

Re: The Internet Has a Rat Poison Problem

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Post by collinvandyck76 »

istinetz wrote: post #72
foxhop wrote: post #42

I moonlight as a YouTuber showing how to GROW food on 1/3 acre. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p1ZIumjXukI The answer is snap traps not poison. Fight when the LAW of NATURE is violated, alarm systems all over the Conscious, Subconscious, and Unconscious UNIVERSE. Stop the CIRCULAR destruction of NATURE. The ONE verse of the UNIVERSE is a Trivium, Inputs > Process > Outputs Let's only put GOOD in the world.

Wot

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Re: The Internet Has a Rat Poison Problem

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Post by Aunche »

MereInterest wrote: post #77
nefitty wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's also review shyness. My wife yelled at me once (like real, oh shit I'm in trouble, yell) for leaving a 1 star review for an Uber driver who sped the whole way and ran a red light.

That's caused by excessive metric tracking on the part of companies, and passing the blame down to individual employees. When a 5-star rating is the default and anything else is a push for the person to be fired, of course people won't leave negative reviews, that's going to prevent people from leaving accurate reviews. If I could trust reviews to be used in good faith (e.g. by paying employees a living wage and not…

If they were driving recklessly, then they should be fired though. Uber prices are pretty much completely dictated by supply and demand. By taking a higher volume of passengers at the cost of safety, you're increasing the supply of trips and pressuring safer drivers to match your volume. Firing the reckless drivers creates a landscape where safer drivers can fairly compete.

Re: The Internet Has a Rat Poison Problem

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Post by berkes »

ramphastidae wrote: post #76
Aeolun wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s so bad about a glue trap that it weighs up against massive internal hemorrhaging over the course of 5 days?

Because instead it’s death by starvation over 3 days. And often the rats will tear off their own limbs in an attempt to escape from the glue.

Yup. A neighbour here used to have glue-traps. I once found such a trap with two (!)stumps of mouse-legs still attached to it. Mouse gnawed off its own legs.

Re: The Internet Has a Rat Poison Problem

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Post by jimktrains2 »

elurg wrote: post #28

Anyone surprised that the title is not a metaphor? The article is about the literal sale of substances which are harmful when ingested by rodents.

Harmful when ingested directly or via carrion by rodents, along with basically anything else, including dogs, cat, birds, and people.

Re: The Internet Has a Rat Poison Problem

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Post by JackMorgan »

thegrimmest wrote: post #107
JackMorgan wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To play devil's advocate and be only a little cheeky, it seems the way the right of recent American politics tries to help people help themselves is to offer them military-grade weaponry, deregulated environmental protections, laws to enforce sexual and vice Christian-specific rules not widely agreed on by non-Christians, and decreased worker protections. This seems almost perfectly calculated to help them become cri…

I think this is oversimplifying the political compass. There are a whole class of people that believe helping people should be voluntary, not mandatory. Dignity is something that comes from within, but if you want a "thriving wage", negotiate for it. The left supports all sorts of policies that make helping people compulsory, at which point it starts to more resemble slavery than charity. How would you define a "fair…

You're right, it's definitely an oversimplification.

I don't think though we live in a society that could allow people to negotiate for a thriving wage without a power as large as the government. It is in no way a hyperbole to state that if the American government's worker protections weaken much more we will have companies with their own private armies forcing people into company towns like what happened to our great grandparents. It wasn't that long ago, and a lot of people have forgotten how much blood was shed to give us the safely nets we have today. And yet so many people act as if individual freedom is what earned us those rights, not the government's strong arm and labor unions.

Re: The Internet Has a Rat Poison Problem

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Post by emerged »

pvaldes wrote: post #49
WalterBright wrote: post #14

I use the old-fashioned snap traps. They work fine. Sometimes it's necessary to tweak the catch to make it more sensitive. They're made of wood and wire, and aren't an environmental problem. I live near a greenbelt and there's a never-ending invasion of mice. If I leave the garage door open and unattended, they're in in a flash and setting up shop. The only way to get rid of them is the traps, and you have to get rid…

If you have a big enough garden, you could put an owl nest box in a calm place when the owlets constant screeching noise will not suppose a problem. Owls can be territorial and attack to protect the nest also, so leave them far from the house and alone. Unlike traps, they will catch ten mice by night each night and will dispose of the corpses so you don't need to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P-KWBSbis4

I use a reflective metal owl to deter woodpeckers who love destroying my house. It seems to be effective because I’ve not seen or heard the little peckers since. Your comment makes me wonder if these would also help with mice.

Re: The Internet Has a Rat Poison Problem

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Post by boppo1 »

WalterBright wrote: post #14

I use the old-fashioned snap traps. They work fine. Sometimes it's necessary to tweak the catch to make it more sensitive. They're made of wood and wire, and aren't an environmental problem. I live near a greenbelt and there's a never-ending invasion of mice. If I leave the garage door open and unattended, they're in in a flash and setting up shop. The only way to get rid of them is the traps, and you have to get rid…

> is this a tongue-in-cheek joke or am I missing some evidence?

Re: The Internet Has a Rat Poison Problem

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Post by justsaying9 »

marcosdumay wrote: post #111
justsaying9 wrote: post #103

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God I hate that bullshit. They have accomplished what, exactly? Oh, a big annoying banner that I now have to click through. So helpful. A testament to the stupidity of mankind.

> They have accomplished what, exactly? They made tracking annoying and evident.

Which, again, accomplishes what, exactly?

"What? This site uses cookies? I am shocked--shocked I say!--to learn cookies are being used on this web site! I had NO IDEA that was going on! Why, it's not like they have been doing that for 25+ years, or anything!"

Is this going to stop companies from tracking people? Of course not. It does absolutely nothing to stop any of that. All it does is create yet another useless, annoying fucking popup I have to click through. Instead of being silently tracked, now I'm tracked, plus annoyed, and being FORCED to agree with it. Even though I don't even live in the God damned EU and neither do many of the web sites I access.

Like I said--a perfect example of how brain dead retarded humanity is. A failed species. Bring on the giant asteroid, any day now GOD.

Re: The Internet Has a Rat Poison Problem

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Post by Spivak »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #116

Amazon should pay for cleanup, at least then there is some self regulating pressure.

I don’t really think this is Amazon’s fault since they sell a huge amount of products aimed at professionals. For SMBs it’s not common for Amazon to be their main supplier.

Exterminators are a licensed profession in most states and rather than leveraging that system to control poison distribution they said “eh just don’t sell it at Lowes” and hoped people wouldn’t find out what stores you can actually buy it at.

I think it should be cleaned up but punitive damages for online retailers seems a stretch since it seems arguable they were following the law.

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