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Re: Show HN: Decentralized, Mutable, Serverless Torrent Swarm Websites

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Post by forty » Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 7:14 PM UTC

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #170

forty wrote: post #141

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> People with a criminal history who go back to a life of crime just get a gun through their criminal organization the same way they get the illegal drugs they're dealing. just because they can have weapons somehow is not a reason to make it very easy and legal. > people with a criminal history who reform themselves will commonly also carry a gun, for self-defense against criminals from their past life. Firearm are n…

> just because they can have weapons somehow is not a reason to make it very easy and legal. Laws have costs and benefits. When the benefits are not actually realized in practice, that's relevant. > Firearm are not defense tools. If someone shoot you, I don't see how it will save your life or protect you. If someone is trying to kill you and you kill them first, this is more likely to lead to your survival than if yo…

> I live in a country that ban guns, and I'm not aware of a reason why it would affect anyone's life negatively.

I notice you haven't answered that part :)

Re: Show HN: Decentralized, Mutable, Serverless Torrent Swarm Websites

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Post by forty » Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 7:17 PM UTC

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #170

forty wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People with a criminal history who go back to a life of crime just get a gun through their criminal organization the same way they get the illegal drugs they're dealing. just because they can have weapons somehow is not a reason to make it very easy and legal. > people with a criminal history who reform themselves will commonly also carry a gun, for self-defense against criminals from their past life. Firearm are n…

> just because they can have weapons somehow is not a reason to make it very easy and legal. Laws have costs and benefits. When the benefits are not actually realized in practice, that's relevant. > Firearm are not defense tools. If someone shoot you, I don't see how it will save your life or protect you. If someone is trying to kill you and you kill them first, this is more likely to lead to your survival than if yo…

> If someone is trying to kill you and you kill them first, this is more likely to lead to your survival than if you just let them kill you. And if this is more likely to happen, they are more likely to not attempt to kill you at risk to their own life.

Maybe there is a gentleman rule among firearm owners to let the other side the opportunity to shoot first, but there is always the risk of someone not following that rule.

Re: Show HN: Decentralized, Mutable, Serverless Torrent Swarm Websites

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Post by iskander » Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 8:08 PM UTC

serverholic wrote: post #110

iskander wrote: post #39

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I think the evolution of "decentralized" infrastructure will start to bring out a lot more overlap between "traditional" decentralization communities (building stuff like Beaker browser) and some of the useful bits of crypto.

> some of the useful bits of crypto There is actually a ton of interesting and useful innovation happening in the crypto space that isn’t necessarily crypto-specific. If hacker news wasn’t so die-hard anti-crypto then more people would see that. - zero-knowledge proofs - quadratic funding - verkle trees - etc.

At the same time, I think it's a lot to expect of people to wade through the feverish speculative bubble to make sense of what technology is interesting. I think it would be nice if some of this stuff started making its way out of currency associated blockchain projects and into the wider world of decentralized algorithms and protocols.

Re: Show HN: Decentralized, Mutable, Serverless Torrent Swarm Websites

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Post by petre » Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 8:47 PM UTC

WebTorrent has never worked for me. It's included in Brave now but whenever I try to open a magnet link it just sits and waits while qbittorrent downlads everything i before I can manage to make a cup of coffee.

Re: Show HN: Decentralized, Mutable, Serverless Torrent Swarm Websites

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Post by nabakin » Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 9:15 PM UTC

petre wrote: post #174

WebTorrent has never worked for me. It's included in Brave now but whenever I try to open a magnet link it just sits and waits while qbittorrent downlads everything i before I can manage to make a cup of coffee.

> Can WebTorrent clients connect to normal BitTorrent clients?

> In the browser, WebTorrent can only download torrents that are seeded by a WebRTC-capable torrent client.

https://webtorrent.io/faq

Re: Show HN: Decentralized, Mutable, Serverless Torrent Swarm Websites

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Post by anamax » Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 9:49 PM UTC

dave_sullivan wrote: post #121

throaway46546 wrote: post #119

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Assault rifles were banned in 1986. The only assault rifles available on the civilian market are registered pre-ban ones. Due to limited supply they tend to be quite expensive ($10,000+). You have to register with the ATF and pay a special tax to purchase one.

Huh? Pretty sure you can still buy an AR-15 in a lot of states, am I missing something?

What makes an Armalite Rifle-15 significant to you?

I ask because it isn't actually all that interesting as far as guns go.

It shoots a fairly low-power cartridge, roughly equivalent to 30-30, which means that it isn't powerful enough for deer hunting in some states. That's part of why it's easy to shoot even for XX folks. (Another part is the ergonomics; the stock and hand-grip make it easier to shoot correctly from the shoulder than most rifles.)

It's semi-auto, but so are most guns these days. It doesn't shoot any faster than other semi-autos. Standard capacity magazines aren't any larger.

It is possibly the most popular rifle of all time, certainly in the last 50+ years.

Re: Show HN: Decentralized, Mutable, Serverless Torrent Swarm Websites

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Post by DarylZero » Sun, Dec 12, 2021, 1:18 AM UTC

Latty wrote: post #163

DarylZero wrote: post #116

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If the prohibition of deplatforming is why we need a public square, it does sound inconsistent to say deplatforming isn't the problem. "The problem isn't deplatforming -- it's the lack of places where deplatforming is prohibited."

How is that inconsistent? Just because it's good to have access to something doesn't mean we want it everywhere . This goes for a lot of things. It would be a problem if there was nowhere you could urinate, but that doesn't make rules against urinating in the street bad. It is important that there are places you can't be censored, but that doesn't mean every place should be forced to be unfiltered firehoses. Curation…

Whether "we want it everywhere" and whether "it is the problem" are different questions.

> It would be a problem if there was nowhere you could urinate, but that doesn't make rules against urinating in the street bad.

If you couldn't urinate anywhere legally, you wouldn't consider the laws against urination a problem?

Re: Show HN: Decentralized, Mutable, Serverless Torrent Swarm Websites

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Post by chrisco255 » Sun, Dec 12, 2021, 3:13 AM UTC

rvz wrote: post #158

chrisco255 wrote: post #65

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ENS (Ethereum Naming Service) is built on immutable smart contracts on Ethereum. Domain names (ie example.eth) are permissionlessly registered for up to hundreds of years at a time for ~$5 a year. ENS domains can be resolved to Ethereum wallet addresses, IPFS, Bitcoin addresses or any other public key or string.

ENS seems to be centralized on to one smart contract holding all the domains under the .eth TLD (which already conflicts with the reserved 3 letter TLD for Ethiopia) under the control of a typical 'multisig' and 'DAO' which is based on 'trusting' the keyholders. Basically ENS boils down to being a subdomain provider with ICANN-like governance, an illusion to 'decentralization' .

It's not one smart contract, it's actually many smart contracts and many open-source front-end components: https://github.com/ensdomains

The three letter code is not currently used by Ethiopia (they use .et and .com.et), and the ENS team is in negotiations with Ethiopia for the 3 letter TLD: https://www.olipso.com/en/domain-search/ethiopia https://twitter.com/BrantlyMillegan/status/14632165646149672...

The contracts themselves are immutable. ENS domains are NFTs. You should read the code and understand the actual structure of it before criticizing it.

https://docs.ens.domains/dapp-developer-guide/ens-as-nft

Re: Show HN: Decentralized, Mutable, Serverless Torrent Swarm Websites

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Post by rvz » Sun, Dec 12, 2021, 7:00 AM UTC

chrisco255 wrote: post #178

rvz wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ENS seems to be centralized on to one smart contract holding all the domains under the .eth TLD (which already conflicts with the reserved 3 letter TLD for Ethiopia) under the control of a typical 'multisig' and 'DAO' which is based on 'trusting' the keyholders. Basically ENS boils down to being a subdomain provider with ICANN-like governance, an illusion to 'decentralization' .

It's not one smart contract, it's actually many smart contracts and many open-source front-end components: https://github.com/ensdomains The three letter code is not currently used by Ethiopia (they use .et and .com.et), and the ENS team is in negotiations with Ethiopia for the 3 letter TLD: https://www.olipso.com/en/domain-search/ethiopia https://twitter.com/BrantlyMillegan/status/14632165646149672... The contracts…

> The three letter code is not currently used by Ethiopia (they use .et and .com.et), and the ENS team is in negotiations with Ethiopia for the 3 letter TLD

Did I say 'used'? I said 'reserved' and the ENS team knows it is 'reserved' FOR Ethiopia, otherwise why are they negotiating specifically with them in the first place?

Relying on 'trusting' a so-called 'DAO' with all .eth domains sitting under the root multisig control is no different to trusting a subdomain provider with ICANN-like governance but this time, they're using a 'blockchain'.

All of the above sounds like a great 'illusion' to decentralization. I expect ENS to be no different to ICANN governance given that they can have full control over any of the domains on the ENS root. [0]

[0] https://docs.ens.domains/frequently-asked-questions#who-owns...

Re: Show HN: Decentralized, Mutable, Serverless Torrent Swarm Websites

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Post by southerntofu » Sun, Dec 12, 2021, 2:00 PM UTC

rasengan wrote: post #162

southerntofu wrote: post #154

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> I don't think I've come to the same conclusion about freenode ( https://news.itsfoss.com/freenode-controversy/ ) This article really obscures some facts. For example, it implies that Lee was the person providing for freenode, when in fact he was just one of many donors: most servers in the network were donated by non-profits. Likewise, the article says Freenode operators were not staff because they were not paid: t…

Hi, so I’m Andrew Lee and can definitely comment on this as I’m directly involved: > For example, it implies that Lee was the person providing for freenode, when in fact he was just one of many donors: most servers in the network were donated by non-profits You’re right, there were other server donors who provided servers on the network. However, the donations I provided were on a different order of magnitude financi…

> I provided many servers, of course, but also 7 figure funding

In my book, that's irrelevant. If i choose to donate personal resources to a project, it does not entitle me to any power over said project.

> fully in charge (...) my ownership

As someone who's external to both Freenode and Libera project, my understanding was that both aimed to be somewhat-horizontal projects and that such fine print was irrelevant. Much like Debian project has a DPL for some specific situations but actual decisions are taken by the base (which has pros and cons).

> Tomaw and I were in discussion...

I'm not saying there was no drama prior to the discussion. I'm saying many people who had a neutral stance on the matter were pushed to exile by your new team's aggressive actions, which you don't seem to refute.

> Finally, stop trying to force or pressure people to leave freenode.

I'm not. I'm always happy to side with an established non-profit versus an unclear business plan driven by an entrepreneur, but in this specific case i have zero balls in the game. You'll find me much more active in XMPP spaces where such concerns are non-existent because user hosting is decoupled from chatroom hosting (via s2s protocol).

> As for me and freenode, we have been in legal discussion to truly decentralize the network and give it to the people

Cool. Despite my profound disagreements on general politics, i wish you the best on this path. I've read more than a few cringy arguments for Freenode in the past months, but i believe all of us can take a turn for the better at any time. Can't wait for the non-profit to be officially registered!