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NewLimit: a company built to extend human healthspan

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Re: NewLimit: a company built to extend human healthspan

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Post by daenney »

kiba wrote: post #32
shafyy wrote: post #3

There is something dystopian, childish, naive, desperate, arrogant, sad and tragic about billionaires founding and funding longevity companies and projects. They think that they've got it all, but deep down there's still this gaping hole of meaninglessness. They can control evertything. Everything but death. If only they can find a way to live longer, maybe even a way to never die of natural causes, everything will b…

I'm not against research to better understand aging and diseases that are a consequence of aging such as dementia and various cancers. But when I read this announcement I feel an air of arrogance that fucking annoys me. Your feeling of arrogance seems to be a product of a cultural programmed reaction. There's no shortage of movies, cultural works, and tv shows that tell us that immortality is unwanted, unattainable,…

> I applaud the pursuit of longevity and health so long it is paired with the egalitarian outcome in that everybody will be entitled and receive it, regardless of who they are and what they did.

And therein lies the crux. I don’t believe that’ll be the actual outcome.

Re: NewLimit: a company built to extend human healthspan

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Post by blueblisters »

shafyy wrote: post #3

There is something dystopian, childish, naive, desperate, arrogant, sad and tragic about billionaires founding and funding longevity companies and projects. They think that they've got it all, but deep down there's still this gaping hole of meaninglessness. They can control evertything. Everything but death. If only they can find a way to live longer, maybe even a way to never die of natural causes, everything will b…

Increase in human lifespan (and longevity of "youth") is the most obvious sign of the success of modern civilization. We have doubled the average life expectancy in just about a century, so by your reasoning, past humans would likely call us "arrogant" when on average we live better, more fuller lives than they ever did.

There will be unintended consequences of humans living longer, of course but those are problems which will be solved by smart people of the future (and present).

Re: NewLimit: a company built to extend human healthspan

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Post by kiba »

goldenkey wrote: post #10
redwood wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better?

Arguably worse since old people have stubborn thought processes, especially politically. Usually the only way societies get change is once all the "boomers" die off. I think it sad but death is evolved for a real reason and we should not forget Chesterton's fence, even if it was not designed but rather converged on by almost all species except for trees.

You have to remember that society changing over 200-300 years is an anomaly in the history of humanity.

Also, I am pretty sure that old people were involved in historical changes themselves, or will be forced to confront historical changes anyway.

Re: NewLimit: a company built to extend human healthspan

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Post by varjag »

sschueller wrote: post #2

SpaceX is titering on bankruptcy so I don't know if your really want to be the "SpaceX of living for ever". Also asking your employees to work over the holidays (SpaceX Company email) because of your management failures is not a good company culture.

If SpaceX goes public it'll be drowned in capital the day of IPO.

Re: NewLimit: a company built to extend human healthspan

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Post by inkblotuniverse »

libertine wrote: post #20
xvector wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Longevity is a worthwhile goal for striving for. It is horrific that beings with hopes, dreams, and loves are forced to die and lose everything they have ever had, doomed to an eternity of the black void of nonexistence. That should be a choice. I for one am thrilled that society is starting to view death as something we might be able to one day defeat, rather than the resigned acceptance that has reigned throughout…

That's a very egocentric view of the whole endeavor of life. Part of the game is the renewal process of it. If for once find it way more creepy to have centennial billionaires that are hoarding land and resources, because they have the illusion that things belong to them, when in reality it was never theirs to begin with.

Don't call it renewal, call it rot. Some things, we let rot. We shouldn't let people rot.

Re: NewLimit: a company built to extend human healthspan

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Post by inkblotuniverse »

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #4

On the one hand, try to live forever with this. On the other hand, accelerate the burning of the planet by giving more people access to an energy-wasting ponzi scheme. Your 2 goals are incompatible with each other, Brian and Blake.

Clearly, they don't think so.

Re: NewLimit: a company built to extend human healthspan

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Post by ericb »

FinanceAnon wrote: post #11
shafyy wrote: post #3

There is something dystopian, childish, naive, desperate, arrogant, sad and tragic about billionaires founding and funding longevity companies and projects. They think that they've got it all, but deep down there's still this gaping hole of meaninglessness. They can control evertything. Everything but death. If only they can find a way to live longer, maybe even a way to never die of natural causes, everything will b…

Is it not arrogant and selfish to tell people that they should die at 80-90 years old, if there could be a way to live longer?

If we flip the script and imagine a world where everyone lives healthily, forever, the person advocating that everyone die painfully at 70 seems like a murderous psychopath.

Re: NewLimit: a company built to extend human healthspan

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Post by newsbinator »

This makes perfect sense to me. If I were a billionaire, I'd very quickly drop down to millionaire because I'd be putting 99% of my funds into solving the "our bodies and brains are ridiculously failure-prone" problem. And I'd be begging every other billionaire to do the same.

Re: NewLimit: a company built to extend human healthspan

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Post by newsbinator »

supercon wrote: post #39

Mixed feelings. On one hand I can imagine situations where longetivity and its development might really be useful, for example when (if ever) we enter the human space travel era, where the human lifespan will eventually start to factor in. On the other, its hard to not consider the deeper meaning of such pursuits. After all, death is what gives life meaning and pushing it further raises lots of possible negatives e.g…

> death is what gives life meaning

citation needed

Re: NewLimit: a company built to extend human healthspan

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Post by libertine »

xvector wrote: post #24
libertine wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a very egocentric view of the whole endeavor of life. Part of the game is the renewal process of it. If for once find it way more creepy to have centennial billionaires that are hoarding land and resources, because they have the illusion that things belong to them, when in reality it was never theirs to begin with.

> to have centennial billionaires All technologies are expensive at first. To imply that longevity will not some day be available to all is absurd. The riots would collapse society. Technology becomes affordable over time. > Part of the game is the renewal process of it. There is no renewal process. There is only a permanent end. A void that you will never escape from. -- Whether you agree with that or not, what's cl…

>The riots would collapse society.

Except you're starting to see the first cracks of that, but we're just too busy to see it: when you have people willing to die for a chance of a better life, then you're not that far from it.

>To imply that longevity will not some day be available to all is absurd.

How can you say that when longevity isn't available to all in the current days?

>There is no renewal process. There is only a permanent end. A void that you will never escape from.

Of course there's a renewal process, old habits, vices, skewed and biased perspectives of the world are all flushed and reset with death. The only void is the space you leave and that will eventually be filled up, and that's ok.

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