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Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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I've just created an ubuntu instance (2 core / 6 gigs / 50 gigs disk) without any issues. The process is a bit clunky and not too user friendly, but you have lots of customization options before you deploy your server.

From what I can see, thee free tier gives you up to 4 cores / 24 gigs and up to 200 gigs of disk space. You can create up to 4 servers, or use all resources in 1 server.

This seems to be the deal of the year.

Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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Had IBM Cloud account for a while. At some point, they started to attach a notice to a monthly $0 bill along the lines: if you card gets declined, we will fine you $25 and if you don't pay in 7 days, we will fine you further $50. Easiest account termination decision I have ever had. I guess the first email from Oracle "we are making routine changes to the T&Cs and our privacy policy" will be the end of my account.

Is this even legal? In most jurisdictions, you have to be a government to fine anybody. Sending frivolous charges may be considered fraud and also lead to chargebacks.

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Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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> You can only charge for things that you have delivered and only the ones which were requested/consumed. This was requested. By you requesting a product or service which included this as its terms. Same for delivered and consumed.

Not in civilised jurisdictions. Plain language and clear notification is necessary. Just "included in the terms" is not enough. But and body can ask anybody for almost anything and if it is provided then no illegality. Send money now: Acc: 1927-3938277-00 You all owe me US$100 for reading this. Pay now!

It was pretty clearly plain language and clear notification.

I have no intent to purchase anything from you, unlike the customers (i.e. people who have and continue to purchase) who this thread is discussing.

An actual analogy would be more like "You all owe me $100 for reading this, if you want to purchase something else from me". Which is completely legal. In any jurisdiction. If you don't like it you're free to go buy from someone else.

Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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If someone has contractually agreed to pay a certain amount if an event happens, and that event happens, then yes, that person has to pay that amount if that event happens.

It does not work that way when selling services or goods to a person. In most jurisdictions, anyway. It is highly regulated and it should be so. You can only charge for things that you have delivered and only the ones which were requested/consumed.

You can repeat that as many times as you want but it won't make it any more relevant.

Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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There's no lending of money involved? If your card gets declined, they add a fee to your bill. You can either choose to not pay it (and stop receiving any services from that company, and possibly have your account sent to collections or even be sued since you agreed to pay something and then didn't pay it), or you can pay it.

IANAL But AFAIK in civilised jurisdictions if I offer a service for money, and you offer money, I must offer the service. If I make up charges for you and you refuse to pay, I can cease offering the service (to everybody) but I cannot just cut you out because you will not pay the out of contract charge. These laws are to protect people who belong to groups that commonly get discriminated against.

> IANAL But AFAIK in civilised jurisdictions if I offer a service for money, and you offer money, I must offer the service.

First off, you need to stop using the (incredibly loaded) word "civilized".

Second, I am not aware of ANY jurisdiction in which businesses are required to provide their services or products to anyone.

Third, THIS IS NOT AN "OUT OF CONTRACT CHARGE". This is a charge which IS IN THE CONTRACT.

Fourth, anti-discrimination laws have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with charging someone a fee when they don't pay you in a timely manner and/or cause you to incur higher costs (such as decline fees or NSF fees).

Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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post #153

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IANAL But AFAIK in civilised jurisdictions if I offer a service for money, and you offer money, I must offer the service. If I make up charges for you and you refuse to pay, I can cease offering the service (to everybody) but I cannot just cut you out because you will not pay the out of contract charge. These laws are to protect people who belong to groups that commonly get discriminated against.

> IANAL That much is clear. Charging a fee for providing bad payment info is legal. See "bounced check" fees.

LOL @ the guy replying to you acting like collection costs ("§ 17. The debtor's responsibility for costs of extrajudicial collection") is somehow relevant... :)

Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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If someone has contractually agreed to pay a certain amount if an event happens, and that event happens, then yes, that person has to pay that amount if that event happens.

I can't speak for other jurisdictions, but Norwegian law explicitly says that you can't demand payment in that case, even if you have a contract that says otherwise. æøå

The Norwegian law you referenced appears to say you can't charge for debt collection (unless conditions are met). This has nothing to do with debt collection. In fact it has nothing to do with debt. But you know what man, go ahead, try and scam someone with an NSF or decline and see how it goes.

(Disclaimer: I don't speak Norwegian or any of the other languages)

Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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There is no reasonable question for which “Oracle” is a good answer. The brand “Oracle” has rapidly evolved into a signal of “badness” in the same way as white mould on fruit, or chromatic slime on meat. Stay away!

> There is no reasonable question for which “Oracle” is a good answer. "Which company's certifications should you go with, if you want to have a career in enterprise development or enterprise consulting?" "Which database should you go with in an enterprise setting for governmental projects, if you know that you'll be out the door in 2 years and don't want to deal with back pressure from ops/management in the mean tim…

I should probably have qualified my first statement: There is no longer a reasonable question for which "Oracle" is a good answer.

I agree that Oracle definitely used to be the right answer for enterprise development. These days however, the senior management panacea du-jour is AWS.

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> There is no reasonable question for which “Oracle” is a good answer. "Which company's certifications should you go with, if you want to have a career in enterprise development or enterprise consulting?" "Which database should you go with in an enterprise setting for governmental projects, if you know that you'll be out the door in 2 years and don't want to deal with back pressure from ops/management in the mean tim…

I should probably have qualified my first statement: There is no longer a reasonable question for which "Oracle" is a good answer. I agree that Oracle definitely used to be the right answer for enterprise development. These days however, the senior management panacea du-jour is AWS.

I'm not sure about that: there are companies in this country, which have a heavy buy in into Azure products and offerings. Similarly for Oracle, GCP and also the same way for AWS. And attempting to use the platform that's not adopted in the company (e.g. wanting AWS when Oracle is what's been used for years) is a non starter.

The reasons for choosing one over the other are probably plentiful, as are the advantages and disadvantages of each. Personally, i think that the cloud more or less always results in bunches of risks and vendor lock. Of course, one can also talk about the track record of each of the companies, but i think that all of them fail a litmus test in one way or another (Google with privacy issues, Microsoft with "embrace, extend, extinguish", Amazon with what working there is like, Oracle with their licensing).

Most people out there want managed services for some reason, rather than to run their own FOSS software instances in containers or something. I guess maybe because they don't want to be the ones held responsible for something not working, since saying that "the Azure/GCP/AWS/Oracle service is down" absolves them of much responsibility.

Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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Sorry, Java is outdated, young people aren’t even interested in learning Java anymore. It’s the “old language”. Try React. Angular. Anything NPM is sexy. Leave Java for the generation Y.

Java is disgusting. So is all the stuff you just mentioned.

"Linux sucks it just sucks less" before that it was something else. Java is a wonderful language, Rust is a dumpster fire of upgrade hell, all are correct. As is the point that they all suck and make our life hell.

Never trust the evangelists they are always too narrow minded.

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