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Ancient Spartans didn’t kill ‘weak’ babies, new study argues

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Re: Ancient Spartans didn’t kill ‘weak’ babies, new study argues

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Post by 0des »

hsod wrote: post #29
colordrops wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a name for being arbitrarily biased against a counterclaim? The simple fact that this is posed as a counterclaim itself seems to invoke skepticism, even when the original belief itself isn't even presented or has a poor basis itself. A weak counterclaim does not imply the claim to be truth.

I agree. Lately it seems that people who lay their ideas out and accept criticism are being destroyed by those who refuse to admit fault a priori

Just a head's up, it appears your account may be shadow banned, most of your comments cannot be seen unless someone vouches for them.

To respond to your comment, I think sometimes that the skills of debate are fading from society. Often it is not the subject matter of what is being disputed, but the manner in which it is presented, or the person/ideology espousing it.

Re: Ancient Spartans didn’t kill ‘weak’ babies, new study argues

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Post by 0des »

watwut wrote: post #39
0des wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hello, it appears your account is shadow banned. Just wanted to let you know because your comment didn't seem particularly inflammatory to deserve being removed. As a response to your comment, I am curious if the numbers of abortions scale with the size of the population we are aborting from (if that makes sense) in comparison to the proportion of Spartans.

We don't enslave majority of population, we don't kill Helots with impunity or as a rite of passage either. We are not totalitarian dictatorship either, Sparta was. So, the dwindling right of women to abort and not carry the unwanted pregnancy, that is being currently under heavy attack is fine by me. Women now have more rights then in Sparta or Grecks in general. Women can vote and arw citizens. I am fine keeping it…

I don't think these are organic downvotes taking down the majority of this person's comments, I think it is because they end most comments with a reference to openvaers.com and it tripped some type of spam filter.

Re: Ancient Spartans didn’t kill ‘weak’ babies, new study argues

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Post by watwut »

sebow wrote: post #26

I really doubt spartans or other groups of people from ancient times in southern europe behaved like this.And for me the reason is simple: it would have been seen barbaric.For example circumcision was seen barbaric, everything that imposed the idea of man-made modifications to the innocence of a baby also skews more with this idea compared to what (at the time,and even compared to now) were very humanistic societies:…

Sparta was violent totalitarian regime. To use modern example, German nazi had not done circumcision either, but did sterilized or killed the disabled.

> rom what i recall spartans were also composed from largely slaves,gladiators,foreign people, and usually those people are not keen towards tyranny

Slaves are living in tyranny by definition. There is no slavery if there is no tyrant. The majority of Sparta were slaves, the minority was keeping them slaves via violence. The decisions were made by slaveholders.

Sparta was not a place where escaped slaves would seek refuge nor a place where they would made decisions.

Re: Ancient Spartans didn’t kill ‘weak’ babies, new study argues

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Post by suction »

0des wrote: post #40
ciphol wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is his account shadow banned? You saw the comment. I saw the comment.

We have the settings enabled to see them. Take a look at their post history, the majority have been silenced as soon as they're posted, and unless someone responds directly by vouching, nothing gets seen by those without explicitly opting in to see it.

I don't have any such settings enabled, and I saw his comment...as well as all his other comments.

Re: Ancient Spartans didn’t kill ‘weak’ babies, new study argues

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Post by okl »

rendall wrote: post #12

> ...Christian Laes, a classicist at the University of Manchester. “But absence of evidence does not mean the phenomenon itself was absent.” I also see at least one comment here making this same argument. The article covers the evidence against, including, that disabled ancient Greeks lived to adulthood. The evidence cited in favor is Plutarch's assertion, and that "other societies" do it. That last is particularly w…

> “But absence of evidence does not mean the phenomenon itself was absent.”

If you believe things for which you have no evidence, you're liable to believe everything.

Re: Ancient Spartans didn’t kill ‘weak’ babies, new study argues

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Post by 0des »

suction wrote: post #44
0des wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have the settings enabled to see them. Take a look at their post history, the majority have been silenced as soon as they're posted, and unless someone responds directly by vouching, nothing gets seen by those without explicitly opting in to see it.

I don't have any such settings enabled, and I saw his comment...as well as all his other comments.

This is what I see for the majority of their comments and history. Perhaps you mis-clicked and viewed another user's post history.

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Re: Ancient Spartans didn’t kill ‘weak’ babies, new study argues

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Post by okl »

suction wrote: post #45

Let's be honest, 99% of the average American's knowledge about Spartan society is from the movie "300". But it never stops being amusing when Americans have their "wait, those Hollywood movies are not even 1% historically correct??" moments.

I wish you to feel the same joy when you consider your own failings.

Re: Ancient Spartans didn’t kill ‘weak’ babies, new study argues

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Post by atoav »

okl wrote: post #48
suction wrote: post #45

Let's be honest, 99% of the average American's knowledge about Spartan society is from the movie "300". But it never stops being amusing when Americans have their "wait, those Hollywood movies are not even 1% historically correct??" moments.

I wish you to feel the same joy when you consider your own failings.

Why do you assume to know whether they would?

Re: Ancient Spartans didn’t kill ‘weak’ babies, new study argues

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Post by adriancr »

nverno wrote: post #32
rendall wrote: post #12

> ...Christian Laes, a classicist at the University of Manchester. “But absence of evidence does not mean the phenomenon itself was absent.” I also see at least one comment here making this same argument. The article covers the evidence against, including, that disabled ancient Greeks lived to adulthood. The evidence cited in favor is Plutarch's assertion, and that "other societies" do it. That last is particularly w…

Table four from the Twelve Tables [1]: > A father has the right to kill his deformed child. These were laws in ancient Rome, not Greece, but the societies shared many beliefs and customs. Not that this is proof one way or the other about what was common practice, but people thought it was important enough to lay down in law. [[the father also had the right to kill any of his kids, so it's interesting they spell this…

In the Roman empire you had Pater Familias, doesn't mean those 'rights' were exercised.

> In theory at least, he held powers of life and death over every member of his extended familia through ancient right. In practice, the extreme form of this right was seldom exercised. It was eventually limited by law.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pater_familias

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