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Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by saghm »

moosebear847 wrote: post #150
Philip-J-Fry wrote: post #121

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I've played League of Legends for nearly 10 years. Not to take anything away from Tyler1, because he really goes above and beyond, but it really doesn't take much mental focus or anything really to play it. Programming? It takes focus, you really have to think sometimes. But League? When I'm tired the game plays itself. It just feels like muscle memory. It might take a bit more effort to play at a consistently high l…

Playing a game like LoL is like being in a battle or war. Would you watch anime and shoot your gun with 'muscle memory' while fighting 5 ruthless, intelligent opponents? A fight requires constant reevaluation of the situation and planning to win the game. If you play by "muscle memory" and win, you are playing against weak unthinking opponents or getting carried by your team. If you played against good players, trust…

> Playing a game like LoL is like being in a battle or war.

> Would you watch anime and shoot your gun with 'muscle memory' while fighting 5 ruthless, intelligent opponents?

No, I wouldn't, because those people can actually kill me. In comparison, losing in LoL causes me no direct bodily harm whatsover.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by saghm »

solidasparagus wrote: post #125
Permit wrote: post #76

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Have you played League of Legends or Dota 2 before? It will be hard to convey the mental/emotional exhaustion that most people feel from playing MOBAs at even a semi-competitive level. In my experience it's a lot different than playing FPS or other games. I have a distinct memory of finishing a game of Dota 2 and realizing that it felt as though I'd just finished a 3 hour exam. I didn't feel happy that we'd won, just…

Playing MOBAs all day is much easier than programming all day. It has bigger lows like exhausting 100 minute techie games or getting tilted by teammates, but it's still somehow easier. I think it's because you get a fresh start every game and a good game is refreshing in a way that finishing a problem isn't.

I mean, it's a game that most people choose to play voluntarily, right? It's designed to be fun at some level, or else nobody would ever play it.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by melonbar »

kubb wrote: post #62
Permit wrote: post #51

Streaming aside, tyler1 has an almost inhuman dedication and focus when it comes to League of Legends. On Hacker News it's common to hear that programmers can't work (on classic programming tasks) for more than ~4 hours a day. I also feel exhausted after working for ~4 hours and have always wondered if this was some sort of mental trap I'd fallen into or a genuine limit. Games like League of Legends require complete…

Do you really imply that playing the same game over and over again (with some variables but still) is the same as solving programming problems? The game is literally designed to hook you in and make you play one more and one more. You absolutely can autopilot through a game and still win. Don't get me wrong, the guy has a lot of dedication for sure. But playing League all day is really not like coding all day, I don'…

I humbly disagree, and if you have not competed at the pro level in an RTS (Starcraft is another absurdly hard game that requires hundreds of actions a minute) then I believe your view is skewed. When I code all day there are tasks I can auto pilot. Rebase from gerrit, an amend, maybe hunting down answers on Stack Overflow. Sure, I get that coding != video games. But the skills Tyler has or someone who plays as a pro Star Craft player are Masters at a craft that takes way more than auto pilot. In many cases it is physically demanding too and I think you’re giving the wrong impression. It’s not a game at that point, it’s a profession, and an absurdly tough one at that. Machines can beat people at chess. Our AI had struggled for years to beat humans at Star Craft. I find that inspiring, and am in awe some people can push themselves so hard to be that good.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by melonbar »

Philip-J-Fry wrote: post #121
Permit wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you played League of Legends or Dota 2 before? It will be hard to convey the mental/emotional exhaustion that most people feel from playing MOBAs at even a semi-competitive level. In my experience it's a lot different than playing FPS or other games. I have a distinct memory of finishing a game of Dota 2 and realizing that it felt as though I'd just finished a 3 hour exam. I didn't feel happy that we'd won, just…

I've played League of Legends for nearly 10 years. Not to take anything away from Tyler1, because he really goes above and beyond, but it really doesn't take much mental focus or anything really to play it. Programming? It takes focus, you really have to think sometimes. But League? When I'm tired the game plays itself. It just feels like muscle memory. It might take a bit more effort to play at a consistently high l…

Are you a pro League player? Because if not this is irrelevant. Even the difference between leagues is substantial. And I have played since beta if that makes a difference. Sure I am not bad and I get that I could auto-pilot. But I doubt either of us are all that good; I certainly am not a pro, despite playing for a decade+

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by melonbar »

dathinab wrote: post #139

I think it's totally ridiculous that some are treating this at "not a real job". It just shows that many people do not understand what is going one at all. Sure it's a form of "entertainer" job, but actress, synchron speaker or comedian are also real jobs. And no one would go and say "oh say just need to say some lines on stage so it's not a real job". It's not at all as simple as "just playing games in front of came…

Ya and it’s amazing that people think it can be easily replicated. To get to that level you must be the one percent of the one percent of gamers typically. Most coders can be “professional” with a boot camp these days.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by kinggfx1 »

munk-a wrote: post #58
short_sells_poo wrote: post #52

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Ordinary cars are a strongly depreciating asset. However, above a certain level this stops being true. I had the fortune to buy, use and subsequently sell a number of higher end cars (Ferrari, Lamborghini) and I made little to no loss on any of them. In fact, the Ferrari 458, which to this day I consider the best supercar to drive, appreciated during the year or so I had it.

It sounds like the cars might have slightly more than broken even on cost for you which sounds like a terrible investment option when you've got everything from real estate to mutual funds that will generally outperform cars - and, much like stock picking, most of the models you purchased didn't significantly appreciate - just one ended up gaining in value. I suppose I was misinformed in that I thought that cars of a…

I can't drive my Berkshire Hathaway shares around at 160 mph

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by [deleted] »

kubb wrote: post #62
Permit wrote: post #51

Streaming aside, tyler1 has an almost inhuman dedication and focus when it comes to League of Legends. On Hacker News it's common to hear that programmers can't work (on classic programming tasks) for more than ~4 hours a day. I also feel exhausted after working for ~4 hours and have always wondered if this was some sort of mental trap I'd fallen into or a genuine limit. Games like League of Legends require complete…

Do you really imply that playing the same game over and over again (with some variables but still) is the same as solving programming problems? The game is literally designed to hook you in and make you play one more and one more. You absolutely can autopilot through a game and still win. Don't get me wrong, the guy has a lot of dedication for sure. But playing League all day is really not like coding all day, I don'…

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Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by wpietri »

azth wrote: post #299
wpietri wrote: post #220

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What's unethical about that? I don't participate in either side of the market, so maybe I'm missing something. But it seems like a pretty clear service-for-money deal, with consenting adults on all sides and transparent revenue models.

It spreads immorality and deviancy.

How are you posting from the 1830s? And even in the 1830s, don't they teach people that tautology is bad?

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by azth »

wpietri wrote: post #309
azth wrote: post #299

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It spreads immorality and deviancy.

How are you posting from the 1830s? And even in the 1830s, don't they teach people that tautology is bad?

It's not a tautology. We can observe the effects of spreading deviancy and immorality over time very accurately.
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